Do I reallllllllly need Floyds on my guitars going forward?

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Get a Ti block and thank me later. Sustain for days to rival ANY guitar I've had..LP, String through Soloists, etc.

I do think a Floyded guitar will be less resonant in general vs a HT simply for the wood being removed for the trem;
Between the substantial canal routes for the pickup wires (under the maple top), huge control cavity, pickup selector route, I'm not sure an LP has much, if any, less wood removed compared to a one volume knob, one pickup, no pickguard Floyd Superstrat. And that's not even factoring in an LP's weight relief routes, which more LP's have than not. I agree a good guitar with a Floyd can have outstanding sustain.
 
I love your outlooks man. You are one of the opinions here that i respect alot. About the not much wood attached to trem, i block all my floyds up against the body. So the block is right up against the body route. I do have a couple guitars that this wasn't possible due to route and post positioning so i have a metal trem stop blocking the bridge instead of the side of body route out. But the trem stop is screwed into wood and is pressed up against wood so how much energy is lost in that compared to block up against the body? I am curious ...is there much difference?

Another thing i like about floyds besides insane tuning stability is that when it ever does go out a hair......you can adjust quickly with picking hand and not miss a note as left hand can cover for a split second or 2. Much easier than reaching up for headstock with picking hand OR fret hand.


And the fine tuners are so accurate. If a string is out by a hair..... it is much easier to dial it in with a floyd fine tuner than a tuner knob on headstock. I have both.
 
Between the substantial canal routes for the pickup wires (under the maple top), huge control cavity, pickup selector route, I'm not sure an LP has much, if any, less wood removed compared to a one volume knob, one pickup, no pickguard Floyd Superstrat. And that's not even factoring in an LP's weight relief routes, which more LP's have than not. I agree a good guitar with a Floyd can have outstanding sustain.

Very good point! My belief is.... the more wood attached to your electrical components such as frets, pickup screws, bridge nut and tuners........the better the tone and sustain is going to be.

For example, when changing frets, some put glue in fret slots so that there is more contact with the fretboard. From my experience it definitely helps with tone and resonation.
 
I love your outlooks man. You are one of the opinions here that i respect alot. About the not much wood attached to trem, i block all my floyds up against the body. So the block is right up against the body route. I do have a couple guitars that this wasn't possible due to route and post positioning so i have a metal trem stop blocking the bridge instead of the side of body route out. But the trem stop is screwed into wood and is pressed up against wood so how much energy is lost in that compared to block up against the body? I am curious ...is there much difference?

Another thing i like about floyds besides insane tuning stability is that when it ever does go out a hair......you can adjust quickly with picking hand and not miss a note as left hand can cover for a split second or 2. Much easier than reaching up for headstock with picking hand OR fret hand.
I'm not sure how to measure that; I do know that with my 86 Jackson, I put a big brass block on it but it was too much so I removed it. It's a pretty resonant guitar stock so no need to add much to it other than swap pickups to experiment. Some guitars benefit from different string locks, saddles etc and with others, stock is best. Fun to experiment. I block all my Floyds as well. Long ago I learned if I popped a string, a floating Floyd will wack the tuning totally out vs blocking it, the tuning doesn't change near as much so you can finish a tune instead of quickly swapping to your second guitar.
 
Going Floydless is old age talking. Man up and play a shredder.

You guys pay for all this boutique rig stuff and don’t have enough “sustain” because of the Floyd? Hit the strings harder, you’ll get there.
 
Going Floydless is old age talking. Man up and play a shredder.

You guys pay for all this boutique rig stuff and don’t have enough “sustain” because of the Floyd? Hit the strings harder, you’ll get there.
I'd have to disagree with the boutique comment. You really do get what you pay for.

As far as the sustain stuff, I'm not really sure but I DO know the boutique Vega Trem will blow any Floyd Rose out of the water with more tuning stability and dive bomb ability. I also enjoy Wilkinson bridges like the VSVG. If you're super happy with the higher end Floyd systems, you'll be even happier with the Vega Trem or a good Wilkinson, just saying 👍

And I have 2 guitars with Floyd's. 4 guitars with Wilkinsons. 1 guitar with a Vega Trem. 1 guitar with a Babicz. And of course more. Stay away from Kahlers :p
 
I'd have to disagree with the boutique comment. You really do get what you pay for.

As far as the sustain stuff, I'm not really sure but I DO know the boutique Vega Trem will blow any Floyd Rose out of the water with more tuning stability and dive bomb ability. I also enjoy Wilkinson bridges like the VSVG. If you're super happy with the higher end Floyd systems, you'll be even happier with the Vega Trem or a good Wilkinson, just saying 👍

And I have 2 guitars with Floyd's. 4 guitars with Wilkinsons. 1 guitar with a Vega Trem. 1 guitar with a Babicz. And of course more. Stay away from Kahlers :p
While I was being a little tongue in cheek there, after over 40 years, over 200 guitars owned, and I can’t even begin to count the amps and other gear, just as much boutique gear has let me down as the cheap stuff. Some high dollar stuff has been worth every penny and more, and some I couldn’t wait to move on. I still can’t find an OD I like better than a stock SD-1, and I don’t want to think about how much money I’ve spent on overdrives alone over the years. Whereas my favorite amp is still an old Cornford.

Back on Floyds, so many other factors impact tone, I stopped chasing the “upgrades” years ago. It either sounds good to me or it doesn’t. And my hands down best sounding super strat is an 84 Charvel with a Kahler actually.
 
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While I was being a little tongue in cheek there, after over 40 years, over 200 guitars owned, and I can’t even begin to count the amps and other gear, just as much boutique gear has let me down as the cheap stuff. Some high dollar stuff has been worth every penny and more, and some I couldn’t wait to move on. I still can’t find an OD I like better than a stock SD-1, and I don’t want to think about how much money I’ve spent on overdrives alone over the years. Whereas my favorite amp is still an old Cornford.
Sounds like me, I have countless guitars. My guest room alone has over 35 guitars in the closet. Probably close to 200 pedals in the closet with 5 pesalboards that are ready to plug in and go. Of course a slew of amps including some Marhsalls and the new Fender Pano Verb coming soon. All that has been proven with videos that I've posted over the forum.
Back on Floyds, so many other factors impact tone, I stopped chasing the “upgrades” years ago. It either sounds good to me or it doesn’t. And my hands down best sounding super strat is an 84 Charvel with a Kahler actually
I just get bored easily and want my guitars to sound differently without having to change my amp or pedals. I've never found a boutique upgrade to be useless, and don't mind shelling out the quids to do so. When you have so many guitars, every one should feels and sound unique in my opinion. A different paint job isn't really enough and I also don't really care for keeping anything particularly stock. I enjoy stealth mods and such.
 
I'd have to disagree with the boutique comment. You really do get what you pay for.

As far as the sustain stuff, I'm not really sure but I DO know the boutique Vega Trem will blow any Floyd Rose out of the water with more tuning stability and dive bomb ability. I also enjoy Wilkinson bridges like the VSVG. If you're super happy with the higher end Floyd systems, you'll be even happier with the Vega Trem or a good Wilkinson, just saying 👍

And I have 2 guitars with Floyd's. 4 guitars with Wilkinsons. 1 guitar with a Vega Trem. 1 guitar with a Babicz. And of course more. Stay away from Kahlers :p
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Sounds like me, I have countless guitars. My guest room alone has over 35 guitars in the closet. Probably close to 200 pedals in the closet with 5 pesalboards that are ready to plug in and go. Of course a slew of amps including some Marhsalls and the new Fender Pano Verb coming soon. All that has been proven with videos that I've posted over the forum.

I just get bored easily and want my guitars to sound differently without having to change my amp or pedals. I've never found a boutique upgrade to be useless, and don't mind shelling out the quids to do so. When you have so many guitars, every one should feels and sound unique in my opinion. A different paint job isn't really enough and I also don't really care for keeping anything particularly stock. I enjoy stealth mods and such.
Yeah, that’s all cool man. That last part about having so many guitars and each being unique is where some of my older collecting days went off the rails a bit. I’d get something cool and then immediately buy another 1 or 2 or more with a different color/finish but functionally the same. My current collection is way trimmed down now and I enjoy them a lot more as players again. Although it’s starting to grow a little again, so who knows down the road haha.
 
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