Do SLOs Hum?

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cliffc8488":365cqn65 said:
Does anyone have a layout? I have a schematic with reference designators but there's none on the PC boards so it's a bit of a pain trying to troubleshoot it.

I think I have one on my crashed PC, I will see if I can locate it.

Surely someone has one though, maybe not 100%, but with all the SLO clone guys something has to be floating around that will get you close.
 
And what's with the loop design? Yikes... talk about a hot send level. And before the tone stack? :confused:
 
Hi Cliff, you can find the PCB layout in the SLO Clone Forum.

And yes, they do hum a bit (high gain and AC heaters, well . . .) - not sure if the normal hum level is what you are hearing though, still could be a problem. Installing DC heaters for V1 and V2 solves that.

And yes, the loop is very oldfashioned . . .

see next post for the layout/PCB.

Btw: they also hiss a lot when running in high gain and being idle due to the 68k input resistor . . .
 
cliffc8488":2n71cjbl said:
And what's with the loop design? Yikes... talk about a hot send level. And before the tone stack? :confused:

Yeah, the loop is craptacular. But if you get to crank an SLO lead channel, it's like the thundering voice of God. I don't think there's been much if anything changed on these design-wise since the late 80s.

I would probably gig with my SLO all the time if my Ecstasy wasn't as versatile as it is...
 
duesentrieb":2ydgusi3 said:
Hi Cliff, you can find the PCB layout in the SLO Clone Forum.

And yes, they do hum a bit (high gain and AC heaters, well . . .) - not sure if the normal hum level is what you are hearing though, still could be a problem. Installing DC heaters for V1 and V2 solves that.

And yes, the loop is very oldfashioned . . .

see next post for the layout/PCB.

Btw: they also hiss a lot when running in high gain and being idle due to the 68k input resistor . . .
They hiss like hell in high gain mode, but I never noticed any hum with mine...

Steve
 
I'm surprised they don't change that 68K input resistor to a ferrite bead.
 
You should do a model of the SLO with some of the things you're talking and asking about tweaked to your liking and call it the Fractal Lead Overdrive. The FLO.
 
cliffc8488":17fmxdm1 said:
And what's with the loop design? Yikes... talk about a hot send level. And before the tone stack? :confused:

Yeah, the loop is a pain. I really have no idea why Mike thought it's a good idea to send the unshaped sound out to Fx.
The problem is, if you fix the issues like clean/crunch channel bleeding into lead out of phase, loop voltage levels, making the tone stack more responsive, it loses it's magic.
From a technical point of view I would say the whole design is in early prototype phase. But sometimes it just turns out good and the SLO is very good.

I would consider these on the FLO model
From http://www.schematicheaven.com/newamps/soldano_slo100.pdf

Mod 1. To lose some bass I changed the coupling cap of V2a from 22n to 2n2. I also changed the
coupling cap of V1a to a smaller value, you might not want to do this for it also affects the
clean/ crunch channel.
Mod 3. You could also change the decoupling cap of V2a from 1uF to .47 How much bass you need
too lose depends on your situation (guitar, playing style, cabs, etc).
Mod 4. To make the clipping of V2 sound a bit less radical change the cathode resistor of V2b to
10K.
Mod 5. To get a brown sound out of the lead channel I lowered the voltages for V2 to about 200V.
Mod 6. Removing the 2n2 cap that's placed across the 470k resistor (after V1's coupling cap) will
reduce mid / high frequency response.
Mod 7. Lowering the value of the 470k resistor placed after the coupling cap of V2a will increase
gain. I wouldn't do this but is possible.
Mod 8. Soldano already used the large 470k resistor going from the gain pot to the grid of V2a,
this resistor rolls of highs (in combination with the miller capacitance. You could use a similar
resistor in other stages to get the same effect.
Mod 9. Note that the clean/crunch channel is also in when you use the lead channel. The lead and
clean channel are not in-phase with each other. Though the level of the clean channel is much
lower than the lead channel's level the effect is still audible. I used an extra optocoupler to
switch the clean channel out of the signal path when the lead channel is selected.
Mod 10. This isn't a mod I used but it might be useful it can also be used in other amps (like
most of the mods above) by placing a small cap (let's say 470p) across the 470k resistors that
are in series with the coupling cap you will get more highs / edge in your distorted sound.
 
But that doesn't sound like a SLO anymore :D

(which IMO is THE best leadsound ever)
 
duesentrieb":2ft6eihi said:
But that doesn't sound like a SLO anymore :D

(which IMO is THE best leadsound ever)

+1, it has it's flaws but get it up around 4 or better on the master and it's awesome for leads.
 
I guess that bleed of out of phase clean signal is a bitch for Cliff to tackle. It's really low level compared to the Lead signal, but it's definitely present.
 
I gave up and dropped the amp off with Alan Phillips. He'll probably fix it in five minutes.
 
The false-ground filament supply resistors were both burned out. Alan said this happens if someone tries to run EL34's in it.

Seller is refusing to pay for the repairs and claiming that I'm trying to scam him and HE'S filed a complaint against me with eBay. :doh: :gethim:
 
cliffc8488":3d9qm6xj said:
The false-ground filament supply resistors were both burned out. Alan said this happens if someone tries to run EL34's in it.

Seller is refusing to pay for the repairs and claiming that I'm trying to scam him and HE'S filed a complaint against me with eBay. :doh: :gethim:
Is he local? Maybe Me, you and Kage will pay him a visit and make him an offer that he can't refuse :hys:

:rock:
 
Gainfreak":lnbd7p9b said:
cliffc8488":lnbd7p9b said:
The false-ground filament supply resistors were both burned out. Alan said this happens if someone tries to run EL34's in it.

Seller is refusing to pay for the repairs and claiming that I'm trying to scam him and HE'S filed a complaint against me with eBay. :doh: :gethim:
Is he local? Maybe Me, you and Kage will pay him a visit and make him an offer that he can't refuse :hys:

:rock:

I'm in as well :thumbsup: Pick me up on your way :yes:
 
Digital Jams":15a0rdd0 said:
Gainfreak":15a0rdd0 said:
cliffc8488":15a0rdd0 said:
The false-ground filament supply resistors were both burned out. Alan said this happens if someone tries to run EL34's in it.

Seller is refusing to pay for the repairs and claiming that I'm trying to scam him and HE'S filed a complaint against me with eBay. :doh: :gethim:
Is he local? Maybe Me, you and Kage will pay him a visit and make him an offer that he can't refuse :hys:

:rock:

I'm in as well :thumbsup: Pick me up on your way :yes:
:rock: :rock: :rock:
 
Response from seller:

"your a SCAM, you just want money, get a life loser, you'll get your negative feedback as well."

:jerkit:
 
cliffc8488":31x51k3j said:
Response from seller:

"your a SCAM, you just want money, get a life loser, you'll get your negative feedback as well."

:jerkit:

Does he know who you are?????

Sorry you have to go through this crap.
 
That sucks Cliff! :thumbsdown:

Ebay (well, almost any internet transaction) is such a gamble.

I have been on both ends of deals like this and it always sucks.
 
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