Do the UA OX box speaker simulation algorithm's sound better than standard IR's?

dcburn mk.ii said:
My understanding is that it’s great for that, but not the greatest at attenuation.
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Yeah, I don't know why anyone would want to listen to their amp through headphones or monitors when playing it. But it would be a great tool for recording. I really don't have a use for one. I have a Suhr RL and I tried recording with it but my tone didn't sound any thing like my amp. Just sounded like a cheesy Line 6 version. I must have been doing something wrong.
 
dcburn mk.ii said:
I use it for attenuation and loop for my JTM45.
I haven’t had an interface or computer in years…

Probably my next purchase will be an iPad and interface.
My buddy is all over that stuff and haven’t used an amp in a while.
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oh wow ok well damn dude, i will look forward to some jtm 45 clips once you get your setup up and running!
 
Nashville Riff Co said:
oh wow ok well damn dude, i will look forward to some jtm 45 clips once you get your setup up and running!
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Funny, way back I had an interface, long enough lago now I don’t remember what it was, but long enough ago I was running an eMac.
Then had maybe it was an irig and an iPad.
iPad is somewhere, so old it doesn’t do anything.

My money seems to go to playing gear, motos and the house/property.

Was just mentioning to the wife, my birthday is coming up, that I was going to buy another iPad with some power…

After I got released years ago, put myself back thru school and majored in music theory and digital recording. Had all the greatest gear, including mics. I love to record, but boy am I picky on sound. Not that you would notice from one of my shitty iPhone clips haha.
 
dcburn mk.ii said:
Funny, way back I had an interface, long enough lago now I don’t remember what it was, but long enough ago I was running an eMac.
Then had maybe it was an irig and an iPad.
iPad is somewhere, so old it doesn’t do anything.

My money seems to go to playing gear, motos and the house/property.

Was just mentioning to the wife, my birthday is coming up, that I was going to buy another iPad with some power…

After I got released years ago, put myself back thru school and majored in music theory and digital recording. Had all the greatest gear, including mics. I love to record, but boy am I picky on sound. Not that you would notice from one of my shitty iPhone clips haha.
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hey we're all internet professionals here ok...discerning taste need only apply!
 
The Ox uses speaker modeling and not IR's. The idea/concept behind it was to provide something more dynamic and "real" feeling verses the static snapshot nature of IR's. It does not load 3rd Party IR's but it does have a DI mode where you can bypass the models and run into whatever IR loader/plugin you want.

The lack of 3rd Party IR support may be a miss for some players and that's fair. UA feels their way is better and chose to lean into that more. There are other IR loaders on the market and they would rather play the "me better" game than the "me too" game.
 
Swappenschaup said:
The Ox uses speaker modeling and not IR's. The idea/concept behind it was to provide something more dynamic and "real" feeling verses the static snapshot nature of IR's. It does not load 3rd Party IR's but it does have a DI mode where you can bypass the models and run into whatever IR loader/plugin you want.

The lack of 3rd Party IR support may be a miss for some players and that's fair. UA feels their way is better and chose to lean into that more. There are other IR loaders on the market and they would rather play the "me better" game than the "me too" game.
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The Ox speaker modeling sounds great, as well as their virtual micing.

The reason people shit on it is because wifi only, apple only, and lack of support.

It's like the entire company is made of autists who don't understand that disparate people are going to use their gear
 
Plain old IRs still get a bad wrap from some guys - but it's been demonstrated many times that if you do it right they are indistinguishable from the real thing. Those who haven't had that personal experience are often (understandably) still skeptical, and I admit I was the same until maybe 5 years ago.

So really it's not possible to answer questions like the thread title objectively. If there is a known path to achieving a highly accurate representation of a close-miked cab using an IR, what can by definition be better?

I'll caveat this by saying if a dry, close miked recording doesn't do it for you, then a solution that provides room simulations or other FX (like the OX) may be more your thing. This is one of the reasons why some YT guys use those kind of products in the first place. This added stereo information and ambience can help an isolated guitar can sound more full, exciting and less harsh. For those that aren't used to a typical dry recording, this may well translate as 'better'. My guess is that headphone users benefit the most.

The same thing happens with phone recordings - the less direct, more ambient (and compressed) nature of them seems to work well for some listeners.

Didn't mean to get all Jordan Peterson with a long answer to a simple question, but this topic has somewhat become a cathexis for me and can induce an alacritous response.
 
ZEN Amps said:
Plain old IRs still get a bad wrap from some guys - but it's been demonstrated many times that if you do it right they are indistinguishable from the real thing. Those who haven't had that personal experience are often (understandably) still skeptical, and I admit I was the same until maybe 5 years ago.

So really it's not possible to answer questions like the thread title objectively. If there is a known path to achieving a highly accurate representation of a close-miked cab using an IR, what can by definition be better?

I'll caveat this by saying if a dry, close miked recording doesn't do it for you, then a solution that provides room simulations or other FX (like the OX) may be more your thing. This is one of the reasons why some YT guys use those kind of products in the first place. This added stereo information and ambience can help an isolated guitar can sound more full, exciting and less harsh. For those that aren't used to a typical dry recording, this may well translate as 'better'. My guess is that headphone users benefit the most.

The same thing happens with phone recordings - the less direct, more ambient (and compressed) nature of them seems to work well for some listeners.

Didn't mean to get all Jordan Peterson with a long answer to a simple question, but this topic has somewhat become a cathexis for me and can induce an alacritous response.
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couple of questions:

1. why haven't you all put out any new videos for going on half a year?
2. hows that "zen amps" amp coming along?
 
ZEN Amps said:
Plain old IRs still get a bad wrap from some guys - but it's been demonstrated many times that if you do it right they are indistinguishable from the real thing. Those who haven't had that personal experience are often (understandably) still skeptical, and I admit I was the same until maybe 5 years ago.

So really it's not possible to answer questions like the thread title objectively. If there is a known path to achieving a highly accurate representation of a close-miked cab using an IR, what can by definition be better?

I'll caveat this by saying if a dry, close miked recording doesn't do it for you, then a solution that provides room simulations or other FX (like the OX) may be more your thing. This is one of the reasons why some YT guys use those kind of products in the first place. This added stereo information and ambience can help an isolated guitar can sound more full, exciting and less harsh. For those that aren't used to a typical dry recording, this may well translate as 'better'. My guess is that headphone users benefit the most.

The same thing happens with phone recordings - the less direct, more ambient (and compressed) nature of them seems to work well for some listeners.

Didn't mean to get all Jordan Peterson with a long answer to a simple question, but this topic has somewhat become a cathexis for me and can induce an alacritous response.
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So how do we “do it right”?
 
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