Drum Plugins and Amp Plugins

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What do you all use when recording drums, if you are not tracking real drums?

I have for Drums

Get Good Drums
EZ Drummer3
Modo Drums
I get good results with all three, although, I tend to lean on ToonTrack EZ Drummer 3 the most.
I need to get better at creating grooves. Until now, all I have done is search for grooves closest to what I am looking for and edit them a bit.

Amp plugins

STL Tonehub the entire suite.. this is one bad ass set of amp sims
NeuralDSP Soldano and the Fortin Nameless sims.

I have not been recording for the last five years and just upgraded my entire studio setup. plugins have come a long way in five years. the SLO is awesome and in STL I use a Splawn Quickrod plugin that is fantastic as well.
 
Superior Drummer 3 has saved me so many headaches and allowed me to focus more on guitar.

I’ve gone through so many amp sims and finally settled on a VHX and go direct. Neural Soldano sim had been my favorite, Metallurgy a close second.
 
EZdrummer 3 for drums.

For amp sims, I find the Neural Nameless and Granophyre pretty easy to get solid tones out of. I prefer to use them with different IR’s, but the stock ones aren’t bad. The Petrucci is solid as well and has effects, which is nice.
 
GGD is my go-to for drums now, after years of tinkering with other sounds that were more customizable, I concluded they always sound like programmed drums and I need to spend more time on guitar.

I like the Neural DSP stuff well enough, I use the Petrucci & Gojira models a lot.
 
cobrahead1030 said:
GGD is my go-to for drums now, after years of tinkering with other sounds that were more customizable, I concluded they always sound like programmed drums and I need to spend more time on guitar.

I like the Neural DSP stuff well enough, I use the Petrucci & Gojira models a lot.
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do you program your own drums in GGD?
 
Superior Drummer 3 for drummer, great sounds and fairly easy to get what you want. Awesome interface with Logic too!

Kemper for tones if I want to record quick, I’ll plug amps into the Suhr RLIR otherwise

Really good time in the world to be a bedroom guitar player!!
 
drums? no nothing about it. I'm using stl for my guitars but everyone is raving about the free neural amp modeler thing. If I could figure out how to download it I would.....
 
None. back to my acoustic kit. Hate the sound of programmed hi hats. Not convincing or dynamic at all. IMO If you have to use them, bury the hats in the mix.
 
JackBootedThug said:
drums? no nothing about it. I'm using stl for my guitars but everyone is raving about the free neural amp modeler thing. If I could figure out how to download it I would.....
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I downloaded it today but I don't know enough about it to get it to work yet. a guy on the fortin FB forum made a video about it
 
guitarnate2000 said:
What do you all use when recording drums, if you are not tracking real drums?

I have for Drums

Get Good Drums
EZ Drummer3
Modo Drums
I get good results with all three, although, I tend to lean on ToonTrack EZ Drummer 3 the most.
I need to get better at creating grooves. Until now, all I have done is search for grooves closest to what I am looking for and edit them a bit.

Amp plugins

STL Tonehub the entire suite.. this is one bad ass set of amp sims
NeuralDSP Soldano and the Fortin Nameless sims.

I have not been recording for the last five years and just upgraded my entire studio setup. plugins have come a long way in five years. the SLO is awesome and in STL I use a Splawn Quickrod plugin that is fantastic as well.
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GGD, EZ and Slate - they're all really good these days.

As for Amp Sims there's still nothing I really dig, so it's a miked cab or amp-load-IR for anything that matters. Demos or fun stuff can be anything really.
 
Bogren Digital
-BassKnob STD
-AmpKnob Rev C

Simple as it gets and sound killer.

I'm too stupid for drum programming.
 
guitarnate2000 said:
do you program your own drums in GGD?
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50/50 really. Sometimes I'll program my own, if I have a specific idea in mind, or sometimes I'll get video footage of our drummer during rehearsals and mimic what he's playing for demo'ing band stuff. If I'm just trying to get down a general song idea or something, I'll use the pre-programmed stuff from the library.
 
Not sure what EZD3 allows for with editing within the VST itself, but you can drag and drop the MIDI files out of the VST and into a DAW then edit the MIDI’s in a piano roll/grid/MIDI editor. I’ve never even constructed a drum track within EZD or SD3.

I jumped to SD3 after having a little bitch fit with the EQ in EZD2, I just wanted more control over the sounds and SD3 certainly delivered. I’m not even sure I’ll ever buy another SDX (I certainly wasted almost $200 on that fucking 33 SDX)

The best way to ‘get gud’ at programming drums is to think like a drummer. Start watching drum instructional videos and air drum along if you don’t have a kit. Learning a few basic rudiments can really go a long way, much like modes can be a roadmap for guitarists, rudiments are often the most basic aspect of drum grooves and fills and sometimes learning one gives you an ah-ha moment when you start splitting up the rudiment between drums/hi-hat/ride. Especially when you start adding in ghost notes and shit.

You can also learn a lot by buying a couple of MIDI packs that were ‘recorded’ with a real drummer, just stick them in a DAW and utilize the piano roll/MIDI editor so you can see the velocities and where everything is on/off the grid. In almost all the fills you’ll see them sliding off the grid in places, listening to them while watching them lends itself to understanding common areas drummers speed up/slow down, intentionally or not, that’ll lend itself to a more authentic sounding drum track. The velocities will always be the most important part of programmed drums, it’s boring as fuck and tedious, but everything hitting 127 the whole time sounds like a toy.
 
RevDrucifer said:
Not sure what EZD3 allows for with editing within the VST itself, but you can drag and drop the MIDI files out of the VST and into a DAW then edit the MIDI’s in a piano roll/grid/MIDI editor. I’ve never even constructed a drum track within EZD or SD3.

I jumped to SD3 after having a little bitch fit with the EQ in EZD2, I just wanted more control over the sounds and SD3 certainly delivered. I’m not even sure I’ll ever buy another SDX (I certainly wasted almost $200 on that fucking 33 SDX)

The best way to ‘get gud’ at programming drums is to think like a drummer. Start watching drum instructional videos and air drum along if you don’t have a kit. Learning a few basic rudiments can really go a long way, much like modes can be a roadmap for guitarists, rudiments are often the most basic aspect of drum grooves and fills and sometimes learning one gives you an ah-ha moment when you start splitting up the rudiment between drums/hi-hat/ride. Especially when you start adding in ghost notes and shit.

You can also learn a lot by buying a couple of MIDI packs that were ‘recorded’ with a real drummer, just stick them in a DAW and utilize the piano roll/MIDI editor so you can see the velocities and where everything is on/off the grid. In almost all the fills you’ll see them sliding off the grid in places, listening to them while watching them lends itself to understanding common areas drummers speed up/slow down, intentionally or not, that’ll lend itself to a more authentic sounding drum track. The velocities will always be the most important part of programmed drums, it’s boring as fuck and tedious, but everything hitting 127 the whole time sounds like a toy.
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I got the Metal Foundry SDX on discount a couple years ago and I don’t even use it. Bob Rock Kit 1 is all I really use and it came with SD3. I gladly will buy midi packs, my favorites so far are the ones Efraim Juntunen did.

EDIT: Oh, and EZBass has been a waste of money.
 
We gave up on acoustic drums, our room sux. Went to SD3 with Roland Vdrums for recording using real cymbals and its badass!
My drummer spent some time on getting it all dialed in and we've never looked back. Best recorded drum sound we ever had. Runs great with Logic and the Apogee interface, no latency at all with Thunderbolt once we got it dialed
 
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