Drums and guitar with clean stuff.

[Hey_bert_whtcha_doin_bert]

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=799869

....TEST MIX, BTW


Need feedback, I know the rythym(sp?) is still lackluster(kinda fits the jam in a way) but I think the clean and lead at the start are pretty damn good. Let me know, I appreciate the feedback even if I seem bitchy when it's negative, I'm not actually mad... that just the way I kid.

Take it easy homies,

-Nick

EDIT TEST MIX2 IS THE NEW MIX

 

[Anonymous]

I'm listening on shit speakers but it sounds decent to me. BTW, it's a small world, I just realized the drummer in your band Joe is friends with my neighbor and we've hung out a few times.

 

[Hey_bert_whtcha_doin_bert]

BTW, it's a small world, I just realized the drummer in your band Joe is friends with my neighbor and we've hung out a few times.

I apologize for that . Haha you should come by some time and hang man!

Later bud,

-Nick

 

[VoodooChild24]

Hey Nick, That is a really good clip. I like the part where the riff comes in.
Mix sounds good to me bro.

Desi

 

[Hey_bert_whtcha_doin_bert]

Hey Nick, That is a really good clip. I like the part where the riff comes in.
Mix sounds good to me bro.

Desi

Thanks Desi ,

Yeah I think I did good this time, it took forever because I had to keep letting my amp go back to normal. Just for a 45 second clip, haha. Riffing sound could still be better, I think some of it is just the amp being goofed at the moment. I've had that mic EVERYWHERE.

Later,

-Nick

 

[nbarts]

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=799869

....TEST MIX, BTW


Need feedback, I know the rythym(sp?) is still lackluster(kinda fits the jam in a way) but I think the clean and lead at the start are pretty damn good. Let me know, I appreciate the feedback even if I seem bitchy when it's negative, I'm not actually mad... that just the way I kid.

Take it easy homies,

-Nick

You're not gonna like what's coming...

First of all your mix sounds mono. I hear no space, no separation, not 3D. That first part that you said you liked was the worst actually. The drum sound is bad, needs a LOT of work. Guitars are lacking mids & lows. I think there is something wrong with your monitoring chain. It's either that or you've fried your ears & you need a long brake, 2-3 weeks no loud amps, headphones & loudspeakers minimum.

I know what it feels like reading something like this, I've been through it myself But that's the only way forward.

Best,
Jackass.

 

[Hey_bert_whtcha_doin_bert]

You unbelievable bastard

I dunna it sounded pretty good on my car stereo and my regular speakers . The start is actually basically mono, I wanted it to widen when the riff came in, which I thought it did. I panned rythym 75% so it gets wider. There's no toms or heavy cymbal use so I don't know how it could be spread out that much actually. Drums sound bad, really, I know they're not perfect but... I dunna. How do I make it wider, tips would rock.

later dude,

-Nick

 

[stefvorcide]

I like the lead tone, very smooth !! and the rythm guitar is BADASS when it enters, it sounds THICK.

Clean guitar could be rich/louder maybe?

But I don't like your drum at all.
maybe everything would be better if it was more 3d sounding ?? maybe it's just the panning or compression?

it's still better than what I can do.

 

[Ventura]

Yo,

Not bad at all... Are you miking this or doing a direct to console plug in? If you're miking it, I'd also toss a high quality ambient mic into the mix for some of that missing 3D element. Overall though, I think it's pretty damn good. I like the interplay of the song structure itself, sure, we all need gobs of polishing in our playing and recording, but the basics are well done on this test sample. The snare seemed a bit off for the last 1/2 of the clip - was a weird blip in the signature. Maybe just my meds.

I record with 2 close SM57's and 1 distant Rode NT100 for room/3D/ambiance. Of course you're way better than I am cuz I HAVEN'T EVEN UPLOADED ANY OF MY STUFF!!!!

Diggin' it. And now, come to think of it - gonna rip a few off on my VH4S right this moment!!

Peace,
V.

 

[nbarts]

You unbelievable bastard

I dunna it sounded pretty good on my car stereo and my regular speakers . The start is actually basically mono, I wanted it to widen when the riff came in, which I thought it did. I panned rythym 75% so it gets wider. There's no toms or heavy cymbal use so I don't know how it could be spread out that much actually. Drums sound bad, really, I know they're not perfect but... I dunna. How do I make it wider, tips would rock.

later dude,

-Nick

why 75% if you don't mind me asking? go for all the 100. if you want the begging part less spread out you can do the "rhythm" parts 75 or less & let that solo be in the middle. Your begging part guitars sound awfully thin. Car stereo is no reference, this is the whole point of reference monitors so you can know what's happening, that way it translates to many systems without sounding weak. As for how to make it wider, you need to capture the right frequencies, fuller bottom end would make it feel wider for instance. Try to monitor at lower volumes, don't crank up your loudspeakers or car stereo or whatever. If you control the level of your monitors digital, it would be a great idea to get an attenuator like a-designs atty & have the digital output on 100%.

Other than that just keep working until you get there

PS: Looks like I'm the only psychopath here, so maybe it's just me

 

[nbarts]

I record with 2 close SM57's and 1 distant Rode NT100 for room/3D/ambiance.

3 mics when you don't know what you are doing is a big mistake. You are better of miking with one. It takes a lot more skills capturing a sound with several mics right.

 

[Ventura]

I record with 2 close SM57's and 1 distant Rode NT100 for room/3D/ambiance.

3 mics when you don't know what you are doing is a big mistake. You are better of miking with one. It takes a lot more skills capturing a sound with several mics right.

Totally agree, but it sure beats masturbating as far as time well spent
V.

 

[Hey_bert_whtcha_doin_bert]

Well I don't use the car stereo for my only reference I was just saying it seemed to transfer pretty good through different speakers. I like 75% because if a guitar is by itself you still get some in the other side of the stereo, sometimes people's stereo's don't work on both sides, I also think it sounds fuller. This isn't from just my own test clips, several engineers I've watched do the same for the same reason's. The low end is a little less then what I would picture for an entire mix because I have no bass on it, it also helps to keep it tight I've been told. I've been trying to get a guitar sound that gets bigger as the volume gets louder which I think this actually does. Also it's what I've been told you should aim for as well, gives the palm muted parts more kick, which this clips doesn't really have any of...but trust me it thumps with this latest mic set up when you do. I'm just having trouble capturing the body of the guitar, my mids are almost full too so its not those. My amp is messed up but it still sound 95% percent normal for 20 minutes before the weird stuff happens. I'm just not capturing my actual sound very well for some reason, I do think an ambient mic would help though because I've noticed the clips with the mic pulled back some do seem better. I think if some verb were put on the drums it'd help them some.


Later and thanks guys!

-Nick

 

[Hey_bert_whtcha_doin_bert]

Not bad at all... Are you miking this or doing a direct to console plug in?

It's an sm57 with my VH4, on axis 4 inches or so back, at the edge of the dust cap...maybe even a little on it. If I don't get the dust cap in there the tone gets too dark and looses the bite I like... it's been a bitch. That's why I think I need another mic.

later,

-Nick

 

[audiomichael]

I like your chunk tone when it comes in.

'Couple quick ideas that might help:

-The bass could use some more bottom end, it will help it reach underneath and hug the bottom of the drums and guitars.

-You might want to try tucking a snare sample underneath the snare. Since you're not recording in a million $ studio (I'm assuming), it will help add some body, punch and ambience to the snare and the track in general.

- I agree with nbars on the guitar panning. Go ALL THE WAY OUT! If it sounds too wide than that probably means you're gonna have a little more room for bigger sounding drums in the middle, or a bigger sounding solo tone in the middle.

-as far as the mono intro. I think you might be sacrificing some of your intro's vibe for the effect. It's screaming out to have stereo delay on the lead and some nice wide clean guitars. I think you're still get that big monster entrance you're looking for even if you make your intro stereo.

- I think most people listen to more music in their car stereo than any where else... In my book, that makes it an OK reference.

 

[Hey_bert_whtcha_doin_bert]

The bass could use some more bottom end, it will help it reach underneath and hug the bottom of the drums and guitars.

I don't have bass on this, the low notes in the start are my low string on the clean... assuming if that's why you think there's bass on it.

Thanks for the tips, I'll try them out.

-Nick

 

[nbarts]

sometimes people's stereo's don't work on both sides

that just means they need to get it fixed

 

[Hey_bert_whtcha_doin_bert]

Hell in my crib ya lucky if ya got a volume knob, ya-e-yee, woot woot!

 

[Ventura]

Not bad at all... Are you miking this or doing a direct to console plug in?

It's an sm57 with my VH4, on axis 4 inches or so back, at the edge of the dust cap...maybe even a little on it. If I don't get the dust cap in there the tone gets too dark and looses the bite I like... it's been a bitch. That's why I think I need another mic.

later,

-Nick

One thing ya may wanna try m'man, tuck that mic right up to the grill cloth - not 4" away. The SM57's love to be as CLOSE as possible...almost surgical in their distance. Believe me it'll make a difference. So try that out, and ya, 'up to the dust cap edge' is more than likely because of the wave variance being 4" away. You'll probably get the sound you want at about 66% - 70% off axis real close up (kissing the cloth) with one SM57.

Try it out. I do two as mentioned, but both are snug up against the cloth, one is usually about 66% off axis the other maybe 70% (-/+5%). The one at 66% is the main channel of prime sound for tracking...always...at least in my situation.

Peace,
V.

PS - definition of axis in my reply means 'from dead cone center' - apologies for any confusion. So, I use my 57's straight on (as in "on axis" in your case) but placed 66% out from 'dead center' or 70% out from 'dead center').

 

[Hey_bert_whtcha_doin_bert]

One thing ya may wanna try m'man, tuck that mic right up to the grill cloth - not 4" away. The SM57's love to be as CLOSE as possible...almost surgical in their distance. Believe me it'll make a difference. So try that out, and ya, 'up to the dust cap edge' is more than likely because of the wave variance being 4" away. You'll probably get the sound you want at about 66% - 70% off axis real close up (kissing the cloth) with one SM57.

Try it out. I do two as mentioned, but both are snug up against the cloth, one is usually about 66% off axis the other maybe 70% (-/+5%). The one at 66% is the main channel of prime sound for tracking...always...at least in my situation.

Peace,
V.

See I think I've tried this and it gets very claustrophobic for some reason, can you get me a pic of what you mean by chance maybe to help clarify?

Thanks dude,

-Nick