audiomichael
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Hey_bert_whtcha_doin_bert":1dhuhrss said:
LOL! AH! Well that explains that! Then my next suggestion would be to add a bass.
LOL! AH! Well that explains that! Then my next suggestion would be to add a bass.
Hey_bert_whtcha_doin_bert
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Could you give me some tips on recording bass... I'm TOTALLY new to that.
audiomichael
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Sure...
A) Do you have a bass? If (yes), what kind?
B) Do you have a bass amp?
C) What recording interface / mic-preamp are you using?
A) Do you have a bass? If (yes), what kind?
B) Do you have a bass amp?
C) What recording interface / mic-preamp are you using?
Hey_bert_whtcha_doin_bert
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A)Borrowing a buddy's fender P-Bass
B)Bass amp no, I mean my bassist has one but it's not at home, in man/rehearsal cave.
C)Interface is an M-Audio Profire 610, supports up to 24bit/192khz, two mic/instrument inputs with it's integrated preamp, ect.
edit:also have a channel strip for more inputs, friend gave it to me, not sure what it is exactly.
B)Bass amp no, I mean my bassist has one but it's not at home, in man/rehearsal cave.
C)Interface is an M-Audio Profire 610, supports up to 24bit/192khz, two mic/instrument inputs with it's integrated preamp, ect.
edit:also have a channel strip for more inputs, friend gave it to me, not sure what it is exactly.
audiomichael
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Well. It's gonna be pretty simple then. Plug straight into the front end of your Profire, and rock out! Just make sure that your level doesn't go into the red on the hardest notes... other than that you're good to go!
Once it's in your DAW, you can mess with it a little bit. Depending on how it sounds, you can add a little dirt on it with an amp sim, or give a touch of compression and EQ. Again, it all depends on how that bass sounds. P-Bass are awesome sounding, but are a little throaty/mid rangy for metal (sometimes). It might just sit in your track perfectly if you just double the low notes you're already doing, but do it an octave down on the bass.
Once it's in your DAW, you can mess with it a little bit. Depending on how it sounds, you can add a little dirt on it with an amp sim, or give a touch of compression and EQ. Again, it all depends on how that bass sounds. P-Bass are awesome sounding, but are a little throaty/mid rangy for metal (sometimes). It might just sit in your track perfectly if you just double the low notes you're already doing, but do it an octave down on the bass.
Hey_bert_whtcha_doin_bert
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Oke Doke! That's pretty much what I thought was going to happen. I might be able to get a T21 sans amp today, any help with that...that's a big maybe though.
audiomichael
Member
At this point, you're better getting a clean bass signal into the computer, then messing with it "in the box". Then you don't accidentally mess up a good performance with a bad sound.
Hey_bert_whtcha_doin_bert
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OK, so, I added bass put some more ambience on the drums and I moved(panned) the clean part over 25%. Let me know if it's better.
P.S. bass isn't perfect, a friend wanted to play so I let him, it's 97% though. It's direct bass with some eq and compression.
I think it's gettin MUCH better, let me know!
Thanks,
-Nick
P.S. bass isn't perfect, a friend wanted to play so I let him, it's 97% though. It's direct bass with some eq and compression.
I think it's gettin MUCH better, let me know!
Thanks,
-Nick
nbarts
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Everything is the same, only there is bass now 
Sorry, dude!
Sorry, dude!
audiomichael
Member
Hey Bert,
Yeah, it's coming along. Couple things you might want to try if you're still working on it.
- Which DAW are you using? Might want to bust out your scissor tool, and edit the bass a little bit. Make sure when the bass and kick drum are playing at the same time, that they are dead on. It'll make a big different, especially to get that tight metal sound.
- Bass seems a little loud in the intro part
- If you have any virtual instruments, a string pad, or subtle synth pad in the intro could really help fill out the space, and add some depth.
- For fun you can try doubling your heavy guitars for the end section, 2 hard left, 2 hard right.
Yeah, it's coming along. Couple things you might want to try if you're still working on it.
- Which DAW are you using? Might want to bust out your scissor tool, and edit the bass a little bit. Make sure when the bass and kick drum are playing at the same time, that they are dead on. It'll make a big different, especially to get that tight metal sound.
- Bass seems a little loud in the intro part
- If you have any virtual instruments, a string pad, or subtle synth pad in the intro could really help fill out the space, and add some depth.
- For fun you can try doubling your heavy guitars for the end section, 2 hard left, 2 hard right.
Hey_bert_whtcha_doin_bert
Active member
Yeah, a friend played bass, I'll chop it up. Pro Tools btw. I have synth tools but, tbh, I have no clue how to use them yet.
audiomichael
Member
Just some subtle nudges to lock it in.
Do you have a midi keyboard controller... that's step one for the keyboards.
M
Do you have a midi keyboard controller... that's step one for the keyboards.
M
Hey_bert_whtcha_doin_bert
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I do not. 
I got the bass parts cleaned up, going to wait till I post an update though, see if I can sort through it all a little more.
To nbarts: More specifics would be nice on how to fix it. Like instruction wise. Not, it sound's the same*scratches nuts,burps some beer up*...bastard.
I got the bass parts cleaned up, going to wait till I post an update though, see if I can sort through it all a little more. To nbarts: More specifics would be nice on how to fix it. Like instruction wise. Not, it sound's the same*scratches nuts,burps some beer up*...bastard.
audiomichael
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https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/<a class="postlink" href="https://en.audiofanzine.com/daw-pack/m-audio/Key-Rig-49/user_reviews/">KeyRig49/</a>
Works great and is pretty cheap ($99). You can have a ton of fun with the just built in ProTools instruments, and a midi keyboard... and a guitar.
Works great and is pretty cheap ($99). You can have a ton of fun with the just built in ProTools instruments, and a midi keyboard... and a guitar.
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Hey_bert_whtcha_doin_bert
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Looks like I'll pick one of those up. Really, thanks man for helping me out. Unlike some other guy *cough nbarts 
cough*.
cough*.
audiomichael
Member
No worries.
nbarts
New member
like I said a few days ago, for a beginner you are very good.
as for "fixing" it I couldn't be much of a help. if I had to mix the current material I wouldn't get much out of it. as of now it's not a mixing issue, it's a tracking issue. if you wanna fix it you'll need to re-track it. since you have a bass line now it should help you getting more accurate guitar tone while tracking. listen carefully to your mix. your drums, your guitars & your bass all sound like they are in different rooms. there is no feel of unity, it's not a mix, those are separate pieces. your primary job as an engineer is forgetting that you are a guitar player. listen to the whole picture, your drum & bass sound are just as important as your guitar sound. if you ask me for rock & metal drums are far more important than guitars, so that's where I'd concentrate the most. Put some of your favorite mixes in the same style & start listening what does what, that sure helps, although you will start enjoying music less after you start doing this type of shit, so you might wanna think about that before you get your tail wet.
again, I'm sorry for being such an asshole, I'm just trying to help.
as for "fixing" it I couldn't be much of a help. if I had to mix the current material I wouldn't get much out of it. as of now it's not a mixing issue, it's a tracking issue. if you wanna fix it you'll need to re-track it. since you have a bass line now it should help you getting more accurate guitar tone while tracking. listen carefully to your mix. your drums, your guitars & your bass all sound like they are in different rooms. there is no feel of unity, it's not a mix, those are separate pieces. your primary job as an engineer is forgetting that you are a guitar player. listen to the whole picture, your drum & bass sound are just as important as your guitar sound. if you ask me for rock & metal drums are far more important than guitars, so that's where I'd concentrate the most. Put some of your favorite mixes in the same style & start listening what does what, that sure helps, although you will start enjoying music less after you start doing this type of shit, so you might wanna think about that before you get your tail wet.
again, I'm sorry for being such an asshole, I'm just trying to help.
Hey_bert_whtcha_doin_bert
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Hell I ain't mad at ya man, just giving ya razz.
Take care bud,
-Nick
Take care bud,
-Nick