EG5 A/B voicing ?

[gjungman]

Hi guys. How different are the A/B sides of the EG5? I liked the Czajkowski rhythm and
lead sample for the EG5, so I know I can get good hi gain rhythm and lead sounds
from it.

But is it possible to get both sounds from the module without having to
reset the eq? Maybe by using the switches...?

I know this is pretty subjective, but my idea of the difference is that
the lead sound has nice fat midrange, and a matching rhythm sound is
more scooped.

If it doesn't work so good, what are you guys using as a nice hi gain
rhythm to match with the EG5 lead?

Thanks in advance for any help with my module shopping...

 

[bstaley]

The way my ears hear it is that Channel A sounds slightly more scooped. It feels a little tighter and is what I use for my heavy rhythms. Channel B seems to have just a touch more gain, and sound a little thicker and not as scooped. I currently use it for leads. I believe this is exactly what you described you are looking for.

Both channels have plenty of gain on tap so just because Channel A doesn't seem to have quite as much as Channel B, trust me, Channel A has plenty. I usually run the gain around noon on that channel and there's lots left.

 

[EWSEthan]

I dont consider any part of EG5 scooped, but Ive also never tried to EQ it that way. I like mids so I can be heard.

The guitar is a midrange instrument so dont be afraid of mids! Great amp builders realize this and some of them voice their amps so you cannot dial out the mids and hence get buried in a mix. I think that EG5 is a module that is like an SLO or a Bogner XTC in that you really cannot scoop it completely. Its a lead player's module.

So, since I like the mids in both rhythm and lead tones Im all good with the shared EQ. I use channel A for rhythm and channel B for leads with a little more gain and volume.

 

[Jeff Hilligan]

Fricken gain heads! Just finished up a gained up COD...results to follow!

 

[jmgman69]

 

[TheRegime]

Gained up COD?
Everytime I start thinking I have enough modules, you come up with stuff !!! I want one.

The EG5 is a MUST HAVE module. It cleans up SO nicely. And gets really really agressive... It's like a Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde thing.

If you are shopping for module, keep some cash for the EG5. It's worth every penny....

 

[jmgman69]

You guys have to stop making modules and get on with this EEEEEEEEEEEE22222! so I can have more storage available on tap!

 

[bstaley]

I dont consider any part of EG5 scooped, but Ive also never tried to EQ it that way. I like mids so I can be heard.

The guitar is a midrange instrument so dont be afraid of mids! Great amp builders realize this and some of them voice their amps so you cannot dial out the mids and hence get buried in a mix. I think that EG5 is a module that is like an SLO or a Bogner XTC in that you really cannot scoop it completely. Its a lead player's module.

So, since I like the mids in both rhythm and lead tones Im all good with the shared EQ. I use channel A for rhythm and channel B for leads with a little more gain and volume.

I think you are misunderstanding me. Comparing to other amps then I agree EG5 is not a scooped tone. I am comparing channel A to channel B. A sounds like it has less mids, or low mids. The EG5 will not sound like other amps with graphic EQ's set in a "V" shape. Didn't want anybody to misunderstand me.

 

[EWSEthan]

I dont consider any part of EG5 scooped, but Ive also never tried to EQ it that way. I like mids so I can be heard.

The guitar is a midrange instrument so dont be afraid of mids! Great amp builders realize this and some of them voice their amps so you cannot dial out the mids and hence get buried in a mix. I think that EG5 is a module that is like an SLO or a Bogner XTC in that you really cannot scoop it completely. Its a lead player's module.

So, since I like the mids in both rhythm and lead tones Im all good with the shared EQ. I use channel A for rhythm and channel B for leads with a little more gain and volume.

I think you are misunderstanding me. Comparing to other amps then I agree EG5 is not a scooped tone. I am comparing channel A to channel B. A sounds like it has less mids, or low mids. The EG5 will not sound like other amps with graphic EQ's set in a "V" shape. Didn't want anybody to misunderstand me.

Oh I get you. I was actually responding to OP (I think we were probably typing our responses at the same time). I agree that B cuts more than A, but as far as getting a really scooped tone, I dont think thats the tone of the EG5. Now, OP didnt say they want it really scooped like kids dialing in a Dual Rectifier so Im not sure how scooped they want it. I just dont think its scoop-able very much. That doesnt mean it doesnt provide tones of sheer destruction!

 

[Hectic Watermelon]

Hi guys. How different are the A/B sides of the EG5? I liked the Czajkowski rhythm and
lead sample for the EG5, so I know I can get good hi gain rhythm and lead sounds
from it.

But is it possible to get both sounds from the module without having to
reset the eq? Maybe by using the switches...?

I know this is pretty subjective, but my idea of the difference is that
the lead sound has nice fat midrange, and a matching rhythm sound is
more scooped.

If it doesn't work so good, what are you guys using as a nice hi gain
rhythm to match with the EG5 lead?

Thanks in advance for any help with my module shopping...

Glad these clips helped. I have found one of my favorite combinations with the EG5 quickly becoming my rock rhythm work-horse, but the SL2 is still my defacto lead machine. In fact, I just recorded a bunch of news preproduction stuff for HWM #2 and some stuff Ed DeGenaro commissioned me to write/produce for him with my guys, and the EG5 is seeing lots of action in rhythm tracks doubled with the SL2A and/or the Erect A. I like to combine as high and medium gain track together panned wide to maximize the percussiveness of the medium gain and the compression of the higher gain. It's brutal!

 

[gjungman]

I don't want to scoop them all the way out (what somebody once
described as The Saturday Afternoon Guitar Center Tone).

Just looking for a little less mid-emphasis in the rhythms, so
they stand back a little. And so those +9 chords don't get
too busy.

John's comment about using the SL2 for leads with the EG5 for
rhythms is very useful. I was wondering if that would be a
good option.

John, if you don't mind me asking, how different were the
eq settings between rhythm and lead, for your EG5 example?

Thanks for the help.

 

[EWSEthan]

I don't want to scoop them all the way out (what somebody once
described as The Saturday Afternoon Guitar Center Tone).

So funny man! What a perfect name for that scooped tone!

I think you will be fine. You'll get what you're looking for with EG5 then. Of course, if you want to use up two module slots then you have more options. I find that EG5 and SL2 both have great rhythm and lead tones. it depends on my mood. EG5 is more aggressive and saturated. more modern. I actually ended up using SL2 for rhythm and EG5 for leads in my last session.

 

[Hectic Watermelon]

John, if you don't mind me asking, how different were the
eq settings between rhythm and lead, for your EG5 example?

Thanks for the help.

Boy, I don't recall exactly, as I just pulled it out of the box, slapped it in and yanked some riffs out of my boo-tay. I'm pretty sure the EQ was the same on both channels. I do recall feeling that it needed a little less treble than I normally have on there. I usually use the modules with EQ almost always at about 12:00.

 

[gjungman]

I usually use the modules with EQ almost always at about 12:00.

Great. That's what I'm hoping for.
Thanks again!

 

[bduersch]

I don't want to scoop them all the way out (what somebody once
described as The Saturday Afternoon Guitar Center Tone).

Classic... my last band used to have a tune called "Guitar Center" where we all detuned, turned the gain up to 10, and proceeded to play different songs at the same time. One of those "art rock" pieces that was totally lost on most folks but totally loved by fellow musicians.

--B

 

[jmgman69]

I don't want to scoop them all the way out (what somebody once
described as The Saturday Afternoon Guitar Center Tone).

Classic... my last band used to have a tune called "Guitar Center" where we all detuned, turned the gain up to 10, and proceeded to play different songs at the same time. One of those "art rock" pieces that was totally lost on most folks but totally loved by fellow musicians.

--B

So true!

 

[richedie]

I think the MHG A and B are identical so I thought the EG5 would be the same...identical channels.

 

[MarcoR]

Well, I broke down and ordered the EG5... I guess I'll find out if it really is the same thing as the UXL I had or hopefully everything you guys say it is. I'll find out Tuesday, can't wait! Right now I'm loving the EG3/4 and B'man and I can't wait for the E2 so I can have them all! I think I'll get the VX with my E2 in July

 

[richedie]

Congrats Marco! I want an EG3/4 as well..plus as SL2...just can't do it for a while. What do you mean...UXL?

Also, do you know if you need the MOD 100 pedal board to control the MOD 50 with the E2? Thanks!

 

[MarcoR]

Congrats Marco! I want an EG3/4 as well..plus as SL2...just can't do it for a while. What do you mean...UXL?

Thanks man, I'm stoked! The UXL was a bit of a mystery to me. I bought my MOD50 from Tony (mctallica on rigtalk) with 3 modules (SL2, Erect and MHG). However he only sent me the SL2 and Erect and told me he forgot that the MHG was sent to Bruce to be modified to Randall Ultra XL specs. Kinda weird he sent a module off to be modded and then sold the rig before even trying it out...

Anyway, I finally got the module and I was quite excited to try it but ended it being disappointed with it. I thought it was too compressed and thin sounding and it didn't match up well with the EQ curve in the B'man that I use for clean and mild crunch.

All this was around the time when the first buzz about a new mod to the MHG was happening and the name for it hadn't been established yet (Jeff was calling it the X). Soon after, everyone was raving about how great the new EG5 is so I gave Frank a call to see if I could send back the UXL and trade it for the new EG5. He said he'd be happy to send me anything I wanted but told me that the UXL was basically the same thing as the EG5 and was surprised I didn't like it. I ended up returning the UXL and got a COD.

I was still bothered by it. Could this be true? I mean I know that the EG5 had like ten different names at first. Was the UXL really the module everyone was so blown away by? Did Frank mean "basically the same" as in they both started as an MHG and had a similar vibe? Or are they really component for component the same? Well, no one could really answer that question for me.

I emailed Bruce and he told me to call the shop and talk to Frank about it. At this point I was a little embarrassed to call and question Franks word as he has been always very helpful and nice so I just gave up and let it go.

Then all you guys keep going on and on about how great the EG5 is. So finally I've had enough; I have to find out for myself if the EG5 and the mysterious UXL are really the same thing. I called Jeff and ordered the EG5 yesterday so we shall see...