Egnater Customer Service (lack thereof...)

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I'm new to the forum and admit I joined with the specific intent of getting somebody at Egnater Amplification's attention. The traditional channels of customer service have not worked. AT ALL. A little internet research seemed to indicate that a Bruce and Ian Egnater actually respond to inquiries on the forum. Well ok then, lets air it out in a public forum. You certainly can't say I didn't go to great lengths of patience and futility with Joshua and Nate........Which by the way, is a direct reflection on Bruce, Ian and the Egnater brand.
I purchased a Tweaker 15 watt Head and Cab from Guitar Center on March 13th. It was exactly what I had been looking for. Could not have been happier. Then, an annoying buzz developed. Tube issue? Tested, rotated, swapped, no help. The buzz continued to get worse. It seemed to be a grounding issue. (?) No big deal. Shit happens. GC has a 30 day return policy. So I return it. But, they are out of stock. Can't seem to source one from another store or the GC Warehouse. They say they have a backorder with Egnater, it's going to be 2 to 3 weeks. Not thrilled, but, so be it. 3 weeks later, I go to GC an pick up my replacement Tweaker.
Just as before, happy, happy, happy. Then about a month in, a phantom buzz appears, sort of like before. I can't seem to identify the source. But, it's getting worse by the day. I'm past my 30 day return at GC, and now in the hands of an Egnater Warranty and their Customer Service Dept. I contact Joshua, and he seems convinced it's a tube issue. I don't think it is, but decide to by new tubes anyway. Approximately $50 plus shipping. It not only doesn't fix the problem, but new problems seem to be creeping in. In the process, I also buy a power conditioner. No help. Then, in addition to the annoying background buzz/hum, I now have a sound similar to that of frying bacon coming thru the amp. Sometimes so loud it's almost funny. Except that you paid $650 plus new tubes and a power conditioner to listen to bacon fry. I know enough to know it's not tube related but likely a capacitor or something. I contact Joshua, request an RA#. We start the return process. I send the amp out on July 2nd. And I pay the shipping. I determine that I'm 0 for 2 with the Tweaker, and there is no reason to believe the third will be any better. In addition, I've spent a lot of my own money trying to "fix" it, and then paid to ship it. I would like my money back. Joshua informs me that Egnater will not refund money, but will fix the amp. I said under no conditions do I want that amp. I want my money back. I'm done with Egnater. I then get a phone call from some "tech" person the first week of August. He is very apologetic, says he turned the amp on, and instantly got the frying bacon sound. He said he would send out a brand new amp. I mentioned a lack of trust in anything Egnater. He said he would personally "burn in" the amp and tubes, an give it a through workout before shipping it out. I said ok. Reasonable. What else was there to do....
First week of Sept. I send out a casual e-mail to Joshua, whats up? Wheres the amp? I get a response that Joshua doesn't work there any more. I'm forwarded an a contact named Nate at Egnater. Oh boy...
Send Nate an email, describing what has transpired. He responds that he has no record. No RA#. No defective amp. At this point, I'm ready to kick some fucking heads. Then a "Tech" calls me, and says the same thing, no record, no amp head, no nothing. He then tells me it was probably just a tube anyway. At this point I've had enough. I want my money. He says he will let the "CEO" (?) know my story, but doesn't think I can get a refund. He tells me that a "CEO" (?) will call me after the Jewish Holidays.
No one has called. No one has emailed. No one has responded. No one has done a fucking thing, and I'm fucking pissed off. I email Nate once or twice a week, with a courteous "what's up, any resolution?" I've got one response. The "CEO" will contact you.
2 months after I returned the 2nd straight defective Tweaker, no response, no resolution.
Since my original purchase in March, I've had about 1 month of trouble free playing time. Since July 2nd, I've had no amp.
Who the the fuck is this CEO ? Does he have a phone? Can he call me?
Does this Bruce or Ian guy know who this "CEO" guy is who doesn't want to refund my money, or give a courteous explanation of what happened or what they might do to make an EXTREMELY patient customer happy?
 
Happy, I own a Renegade head that I love and I personally have had no issues with, but I did take the time to read your post and I have been there with other situations. Sounds like a real drag. You sound sincere so I do hope someone helps you out because buying a new toy should be fun.
 
I would forget asking for a $ refund. That's a ridiculous demand that no company delivers. As for the rest of the story, that's big time messed up. You're due a functioning amp
 
jerjabs and cranky, thanks for the feedback. With all do respect, I don't think the demand is ridiculous. The way I've been treated, after three patient attempts is ridiculous. I continued to believe in their product after 2 disasters, and was still willing to try a third time. That's a lot of trust. A lot of patience. A customer I would value.
And right now, I've got nothing. Nothing. No amp, no "were working on it", no nothing. Not even an e-mail or phone call saying, hey, sorry, We dropped the ball. We're going to make it right.
Ridiculous????
Egnaters customer service is ridiculous. I'll refrain from comment on their actual products. I'll just focus on the one component that the mysterious CEO has complete day to day control of. The human element that sit's in his building, dealing with other humans who paid hard earned money for his product. If he has that much disregard for something happening down the hall, to paying customers, I can only speculate what level of concern he has for electronic components and a manufacturing process that takes place in China.
Ridiculous? I don't think so.
The only fair and equitable resolution is a full refund, and a sincere apology for my time, wasted money and energy.
 
I meant ridiculous in terms of % chance of it happening- not in basic terms of who is right/wrong. Assuming your story is legit, you've been screwed in a bad way. Bruce seems like a stand up guy on the boards and I expect he will step in and deliver you your Eggy.


Thanks for the kind words on the videos! I'm due to start another one soon, it's such a fun process to go through :thumbsup: .
 
happyhack62":20xmnr13 said:
jerjabs and cranky, thanks for the feedback. With all do respect, I don't think the demand is ridiculous. The way I've been treated, after three patient attempts is ridiculous. I continued to believe in their product after 2 disasters, and was still willing to try a third time. That's a lot of trust. A lot of patience. A customer I would value.
And right now, I've got nothing. Nothing. No amp, no "were working on it", no nothing. Not even an e-mail or phone call saying, hey, sorry, We dropped the ball. We're going to make it right.
Ridiculous????
Egnaters customer service is ridiculous. I'll refrain from comment on their actual products. I'll just focus on the one component that the mysterious CEO has complete day to day control of. The human element that sit's in his building, dealing with other humans who paid hard earned money for his product. If he has that much disregard for something happening down the hall, to paying customers, I can only speculate what level of concern he has for electronic components and a manufacturing process that takes place in China.
Ridiculous? I don't think so.
The only fair and equitable resolution is a full refund, and a sincere apology for my time, wasted money and energy.


I would figure Bruce Egnater is the CEO ,no?? .
The irony is Josh was hired to fix the customer service issues ,I had emailed him twice back in May and he got back within a day .
Sad he has gone
.I know Egnater is in the process of moving everything back to LA to manufacture so hopefully that will improve QC ,
I don't know what to say man you have been more than patient , Yes you are entitled to some compensation for sure
 
Josh was courteous and quick to respond. I made sure to let him know that, in spite of my feelings toward the quality of Egnater products, he was very responsive. I also knew he didn't have the authority to refund my money. I told him that as a matter of principle, it didn't really matter. I just wanted it known that I have no confidence in your product, nor it's potential replacement. Now do what your going to do...
Apparently what he did, was leave.......

I have no idea who this CEO is thats supposed to be contacting me. If Bruce or Ian know, maybe they can connect us. Or maybe Bruce could just take ownership of the issue. It's his name after all.
 
happyhack62":2ngmw68h said:
Josh was courteous and quick to respond. I made sure to let him know that, in spite of my feelings toward the quality of Egnater products, he was very responsive. I also knew he didn't have the authority to refund my money. I told him that as a matter of principle, it didn't really matter. I just wanted it known that I have no confidence in your product, nor it's potential replacement. Now do what your going to do...
Apparently what he did, was leave.......

I have no idea who this CEO is thats supposed to be contacting me. If Bruce or Ian know, maybe they can connect us. Or maybe Bruce could just take ownership of the issue. It's his name after all.


Is not the first time someone who was really helpful and cool has left Egnater .Josh ,then there was a John Ewing who was there before Nate who was awesome ,not sure if maybe he was moved duties or left the company but he was Awesome as well .
And then Jeff Hilligan from this board ,amazing guy super helpful good ears, He left shortly after Egnater started overseas production.
He was /is a good dude.

As I said in other thread i think bruce is spread too thin ,
It would be really nice if they could just set up 2 shops the Egnater custom shop W/bruce in Detroit and Egnater CA handling all the GC stuff but with Someone who knows what the heck they are doing overseeing and hiring a few good PR customer service reps to handle Dealers and buyers
 
Hey,

I read this full post. I'm assuming it's true because of all the other customer service/quality issues that have shown up here the past couple years. It's completely unacceptable. I would make a paper trail. Do you have the purchase receipts? Do you have those old e-mails communicating with Josh? Print those out and forward them to Nate. You should have the RA# right? If you have old shipping receipts or tracking numbers keep them too. Anything to make a solid case of what happened. If you returned the amp for repair and never got a replacement hold them to the fire man. I think Bruce's Email is begnater@aol.com he should be the CEO. I haven't seen Ian on this forum in a while so I would try Bruce's email.
 
JeepGuy04,
It's all legit. By the book. I'm not making anything up. Nate was forwarded all of my e-mails with Josh. Both amps were registered by the book on their site. I have both GC receipts. I have a UPS receipt and tracking number. The amp was shipped back in it's original packaging. They were forwarded Josh's email with the RA#. ( RA#114139) In fact, I gave them detailed costs of tubes, a power conditioner, and an electronic test of my Les Paul. They talked to me after they received the defective amp, even apologized. They got it, tested it, and confirmed it was bad. The tech even went to great lengths to reassure me that he would personally unbox a new amp, "burn it in", and give it workout before he would ship it out. I said short of a refund, that's the best I could hope for. This was the end of July, early August. I was actually going to give them a third chance, and pay half the shipping for the opportunity!

I followed up a month later.....Josh is gone. We know nothing. Nate inherited the problem. I get that. I think he realized I was beyond pissed, and likely couldn't be consoled. I get that as well. So he was in a no win position. The conversation then was taken over by a "Tech". I think he realized the same thing, especially after he suggested that it all sounded like a tube issue anyway, and I went on an angry rant......
The tech said he would forward the story and correspondence to the "CEO", and that he would have to determine if I would receive a refund, and contact me. I've received one e-mail since Sept 4th. That e-mail simply said that the "CEO" would be calling me.......
I follow up once or twice every week.
 
Man that really sucks and I feel for you. I don't think your demands are unreasonable and I would continue your quest for a full refund. After everything you have been through, I think it's only fair they issue you a refund. I had a tweaker 15 head for a while but the effects loop did not function well with either my effects rack or pedals.

Anyhow, keep calling everyday until you get this resolved. Best of luck and let us know what happens.
 
We've only heard one side of the story, but if this is wholly accurate, it is absolutely pitiful.
 
i've dealt with them too...in short....it's a shitshow.

i like when you need a new replacement part, and they have to fax you a copy of the order sheet, then you fax it back, filled out. not to mention the ridiculous shipping time, shit packing, and no updates on anything.

meanwhile, its 2013, i can paypal money anywhere, or pay by credit card anywhere and my item's here within the week.
 
rlord1974":2ah0o57v said:
We've only heard one side of the story, but if this is wholly accurate, it is absolutely pitiful.

It's wholly accurate. But you are correct, there is another party involved in the process, who is certainly welcome to enlighten me, and the forum on their position.

I'm certainly waiting...............................
 
Thanks for the heads up. I considered an Armageddon, but no more. I'll either save up for a Diezel, or just get a Marshall and use my TS-9...
 
this probably ruins my chances of getting any other parts, but at this point, it's a wash anyways.
 
yeti":1jbqzuuz said:
this probably ruins my chances of getting any other parts, but at this point, it's a wash anyways.

A wash? Your ahead of me. I paid $650 plus tax, then $50 to ship a defective amp. (2nd one!!)

I'm $700 plus in the hole. And have no amp.
 
well....long story short: i need a 3rd reverb tranny for my tourmaster
nate pretty much told me he's never heard of an amp needing a 2nd one, let alone a 3rd, and said they were on backorder. refer to my other posts, just search : reverb and yeti as the author

you'll see what iv'e gone through. so, it's a wash. might as well post how shitty nate is to deal with (though he's nice enough on the phone, he's very short in email), and, from what i understand, he's overworked. still, just hire another guy, open a paypal account, and start shipping items quickly, and packed properly.

go search, you'll see.
 
yeti":2wqdi5g3 said:
might as well post how shitty nate is to deal with.....and, from what i understand, he's overworked.

Give me a break. :lol: :LOL: He works in customer service for a guitar amplification company. I can think of about a gazillion professions that would work a hell of a lot harder than this guy.

Just sayin'.
 
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