EL34-SED/Winged C vs EL34BSTR

  • Thread starter Thread starter Peter Diezel
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Which one ?

  • EL34-SED/Winged C

    Votes: 36 61.0%

  • EL34BSTR

    Votes: 23 39.0%
  • Total voters
    59
"How did you test them? Pulling out the tubes then rebias..or did you hear two different amps that had the tubes in each?

In my experience sometimes the memory can add a bit as well..
EDIT: I don't find Ruby BSTR's muddy in the least"

hey , i know my own amp and my own ears - and i know what i like , and thats the winged C's .
maybe your memory confuses you , but not me...
 
Hi ACY,

I totally agree with Your ears. It depends also on
the amp.
The VH4 sounds more muddy with the SED´s,
the Einstein und Herbert will become brighter
and tight.

Btw 38 milliamps is not very hot in the Diezels and
causes a plate disapation of 65%. You can go up
to 50 milliamps.

See You next week,

Dieter Brezel
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I still haven't got a chance to try the SED's out, but how does the clarity compare to the EL34B's, otherwise that sounds EXACTLY like what I want, but if I have to sacrific clarity then I don't want to. If they are still very clear in the Herbert and Einstein I should think you should offer both tubes since they are both available through Magic Parts, EL34B's for the VH4 and SED's for the Herb and Einy.
 
Hi!
From my side I can´t see a loss of clarity, specially in the bass the SED´s remain bit more defined. As I wrote it is great to have such good tubes available - available for anyones taste. As an ampbuilder you have to make a descision which tubes to use. Using different tubes does not make that job easier. So choosing this or that tube will always satisfie the one guys, and force other guys to change tubes.

Have a look at guitars: They are built, and equipped with pickups you may like or not. The chance to get a really perfect guitar including pickups imho is very small. So if I check out a guitar I just check the instrument itself. Pickups don´t matter to me, as I change them anyhow.

Peter´s amps are very well equipped with tubes, and on the other hand the amps are built for these tubes, built and optimized for that complete package called "amp".

So I trust Peter 100% to choose the right tubes for his Diezel amps, tubes that make his amps sound like he wants them to sound.

cheers mates, "ACY"
 
Sweet, picking some up. If thats how the SED's are, then thats totally what I want.
 
slate":2ndirzi4 said:
"How did you test them? Pulling out the tubes then rebias..or did you hear two different amps that had the tubes in each?

In my experience sometimes the memory can add a bit as well..
EDIT: I don't find Ruby BSTR's muddy in the least"

hey , i know my own amp and my own ears - and i know what i like , and thats the winged C's .
maybe your memory confuses you , but not me...
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You didnt answer my question which pretty tells me that you went on memory.
Thats fine but far from a scientific test.
I tested them back to back (2 VH4's in the room with different tubes) and the RUBY's were anything but muddy sounding.
I like the SED's alot too. Chocolate and vanilla I guess
 
I finally compared the SED's and the BSTR's today. I had high hopes for the SED's however I like the Ruby's more. Although I liked the harmonic qualities of the SED's they just weren't for me. I felt that the amp became too "sterile" sounding. Maybe some of you described it has smoothness? I'm not sure of the adjective to use that would define this characteritic. I have tried a couple other tubes and I didn't really care for them either. So I guess I gonna stick with the Ruby's from now on.
 
bmwm3cs":2y77y05l said:
I finally compared the SED's and the BSTR's today. I had high hopes for the SED's however I like the Ruby's more. Although I liked the harmonic qualities of the SED's they just weren't for me. I felt that the amp became too "sterile" sounding. Maybe some of you described it has smoothness? I'm not sure of the adjective to define this characteritic. I have tried a couple other tubes and I didn't really care for them either. So I guess I gonna stick with the Ruby's from now on.
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which amp? herbie, einie, or vh4?
 
ajharris1215":1jqz1fn2 said:
bmwm3cs":1jqz1fn2 said:
I finally compared the SED's and the BSTR's today. I had high hopes for the SED's however I like the Ruby's more. Although I liked the harmonic qualities of the SED's they just weren't for me. I felt that the amp became too "sterile" sounding. Maybe some of you described it has smoothness? I'm not sure of the adjective to define this characteritic. I have tried a couple other tubes and I didn't really care for them either. So I guess I gonna stick with the Ruby's from now on.
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which amp? herbie, einie, or vh4?
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Oops sorry I forgot to mention which amp I was using. :doh: It was a VH4.
 
slate":lk0piodw said:
winged C's all the way .
more prescence and punch - makes the STR's sound muddy in comparison .
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Completely opposite with the Herbert - remember there is a middle & prescence dial for a reason.
 
guitarman967":2z32xrrj said:
slate":2z32xrrj said:
"How did you test them? Pulling out the tubes then rebias..or did you hear two different amps that had the tubes in each?

In my experience sometimes the memory can add a bit as well..
EDIT: I don't find Ruby BSTR's muddy in the least"

hey , i know my own amp and my own ears - and i know what i like , and thats the winged C's .
maybe your memory confuses you , but not me...
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You didnt answer my question which pretty tells me that you went on memory.
Thats fine but far from a scientific test.
I tested them back to back (2 VH4's in the room with different tubes) and the RUBY's were anything but muddy sounding.

That's your definition of a "scientific test?" :confused:

Just a comment that I might have interpreted out of context. I've tried both in my Herbert, exhaustingly and always came back to the stock Ruby EL34B-STRs. They just have the perfect serving amount of bite, crunch, smoothness and musical harmonics that I enjoy - especially on CH1, CH2 & CH3 => :rock: :D

Oh, and the Tung-Sol 12ax7s are the bomb installed in V1-3 & V6 in my Herbert.
 
I think that these are going to become very popular from the great experience that I have acquired from the Tung-Sol 12ax7.

The reviews thus far are 5 star all the way.

thetubestore_2026_44532129
 
slate":2fqofh16 said:
winged C's all the way .
more prescence and punch - makes the STR's sound muddy in comparison .
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Dude, pass the bong - Bogart!
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Peter Diezel":tbdf6rao said:
Please tell me Your opinion
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All depends on the amp... Historically speaking for me and my amps though, if it's going to be an EL34, it'll be =C= all the way.

FWIW,
V.
 
The tread might be a history, yet would still recommend SED EL34s any day out of all the EL34s. I use JJ E34Ls myself, but that's only because they cost me half of what I have to pay for SEDs.
 
I put some New Winged C's into my Mesa Mark V.

EL34's.

I dialed in John Petrucci's settings on his website.

Played it for 30 seconds and the sound cut out.
I checked the tubes and one was brighter...much brighter.

shut the amp down, and switched around the tubes, just to see what the deal was, amp or tubes, as I also blew some seimens/Mesa STR450's recently in the amp.

turned amp back on, and a different position and tube lit up bright.
shut amp down, but it had already blown a fuse.

replaced fuse, put the stock 6L6's back in, and turned back on. no sound.
it's in the shop getting fixed.

I'm not very happy with Winged c's at all right now.
 
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