ENGL or Bogner cabs

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I was wondering about speakers in Bogner and ENGL(PRO series) cabs 4x12 and 2x12.

All of them uses actually China V30 speakers ?
 
The only UK V30's are in Mesa cabinets, the rest are Chinese models.

I actually like the top end a bit better on Chinese V30's compared to UK V30's. A little more raspy but in a good way.

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That's little confusing , I've browsed other threads about V30 , but I'm still not convinced to V30 from China. Afraid that , when I turn the volume up , they can blow !
I'm such big Bogner and ENGL fan , fall in love with the cab design and amps ...

What about reliability and quality UK vs China ones ?
I'm gonna buy Bogner ubercab or ENGL pro - both with V30 China - sad thing ... ( My thought - China=CRAP)
 
You can still get UK V30's but they are harder to find/come across. You will need to go through Mesa directly.

There was a comparison clip comparing both V30's here on the forum, it was a blind test. I actually liked the Chinese V30's better.

The UK factories sold the machines and moved them to the factories in China, therefore everything is the same except for the labor and the metallurgy of basket strength.

V30's are rated at 60W-75W a piece, if you overpower any speaker it will blow. No-one has mentioned anything about Chinese V30's blowing, at least not here on RT.

Between the two go with the Bogner Uberkab, have not heard a single person complain yet about them of those who own them :)
 
Hmmm...
Yeah i've heard that clip and also prefered China ( 1 sample).
What about Engl cabs ? They are good to ?

You said that China V30 is also good ( i don't doubt that) but why so many people are making a huuuge hype that China V30 is a wayyy worser than UK made ?
I've also heard that actual production of China V30 are more consistent than Uk ones ... ( I mean better quality control).
 
Engl cabs sound great but their voicing is..... different. Especially under a microphone which was important for me. If you cannot play either of them first it would be safer to go with bogner. I also toyed two Engl Pro cabinets (not XL's) and decided against them after more blind ear tests from a friend.

Just my recommendation :)

As far as QC between UK and Chinese, there is alot of difference in used value between the two, simply because UK ones are harder to find and validate. As far as hype who cares. Play what you like and fuck the rest :thumbsup: :rock:
 
Hmm .

Bogner or ENGL uses a REGULAR China V30 , or tweaked ( like Mesa or Marshall ) China V30 ?

And can you tell me a difference between rear and front mounted speakers ? ( ENGL seems to be front mounted , i don't know about bogner).


You now , I'm stuck with old thought that China=crap. So that's the reason I'm so feared about the quality of V30 , Bogner and ENGL makes great cabinets - that is clear , but speakers are not cheap things ... You know , i don't wanna any mess in cause of china v30 in my cab , which was broken or destroyed due to crappy quality ! ;)

It's so easy - i pay and require.
 
Mesa = UK

Anything else = China

Front mounted means no back panel, front grill is removed to gain access to installing or removing speakers. Front loaded is the reason i dislike Engl's under a microphone.

If you want UK V30's why not order the cabinet and trade for UK V30's? Speakers are relatively cheap on the used market, they are expensive to buy new.

Use whatever you like for whatever reasons you like, no reason to make this more complicated than it really is :)
 
Really? China has been making our electronics for forever...get over it. Plenty of reliable products built there. This move took place a long time ago. If there was some huge quality problem since the move to China, we'd know about it.
 
Marshall Vintages(tweaked V30) also China ? Geez .
I don't like used things , i like the new only - yes , it may be stupid , but when i buy new thing , im so happy !
Yes , i like the sound of V30 in ENGL 2x12 ( tested only , i'm not the owner), but you know - maybe UK V30 will be better ?

Can we say that :
New speaker = boxy , harsh sound
Breaked in speaker = open sounding , warmer
That's true ?

And what about ENGL 4x12 (never played) withou the mic ? I must say , that i'm playing only in home , and I don't want tio make any YT samples or anything.
Please describe the character of sound , and if you can of course ( i will be pleased! :) ) answer to my previus questions ;)
 
Buy and older Bogner cab with V30's and you won't have to worry about them being from China ;)
 
As i mentioned - I don'r like to buy used things, only newish.

So ?
Hmm , and many artists using V30 equipped cabs ( so many of them ... Holt , Mustaine , Broderick , etc etc ... ) they also have a China ones ? Any VERIFIED info ? ( yeah , artist gear maniac ... )
I'm asking that only due to my curiosity , when they can play on them - me either !
 
I work for an auto parts store. When people come in for brake rotors, I sell them Chinese rotors. If they complain about cheapp Chinese rotors, I offer them the expensive Chinese rotors. They don't make brake rotors in the US, and if they do, you are going to pay an arm and a leg for them. So, I explain this to them.

The only difference between Chinese crap and good Chinese products is quality control. This is the same difference in crap from any other country. If Celestion is going to put their name on a Chinese speaker, it has to be up to Celestions standards. They use the same machines, methoods, and layouts as they did before, just now in China. They still go through the same quality control, and still make a great product, just in China now.

If you want a Celestion, get over the Chinese thing. If you can't get over the Chinese thing, then buy another fucking speaker. Go buy a new cab, take the Chinese V30s out of them, and sell them to me. Then you can go buy whatever speaker you want.
 
Sheeesh , you post explained a most - i must agree , cause this is true... Other countries also makes crappy things ...
Such many things is now producing in china - Ipod , Ipad , Iphones and other I equipment.

If the quality , parts , process of production is the same as the UK ones - why there are so many hype ?
Most of user described V30 from China as a crappy shit , harsh , and staying tooooooo far back from UK ones.

All i want is China V30 and V30 UK are the same sounding speakers - Yes , most people said that they equal , but other - no , other sound , worser , harsher etc etc etc ...
 
fear of buying used gear: to each their own, if you like spending way more $ that's your call.

fear of "blowing" chinese made celestions: I can't say I've heard of anyone blowing a single V30 let alone in a 4X12. I wouldn't sweat it.

That said I got my bogner cab back in '01 so I'm pretty sure mine has UK V30s ;)
 
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Sheeesh , you post explained a most - i must agree , cause this is true... Other countries also makes crappy things ...
Such many things is now producing in china - Ipod , Ipad , Iphones and other I equipment.

If the quality , parts , process of production is the same as the UK ones - why there are so many hype ?
Most of user described V30 from China as a crappy shit , harsh , and staying tooooooo far back from UK ones.

All i want is China V30 and V30 UK are the same sounding speakers - Yes , most people said that they equal , but other - no , other sound , worser , harsher etc etc etc ...
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Yeah but who is saying this? Random people on the internet that don't ever leave their bedroom? Or actual pro guys that you look up to? I'm guessing the former.
 
I have both UK and PRC V30s in different cabs. Like them both and never blown any of them. Seriously, get over the UK vs PRC thing and do same actual playing. You'll be much happier.

As far as Cabs go, ENGLs are front loaded and Bogners are rear loaded except for the newer Uberkabs which are RL. Both sound very good. Not a better/worse scenario.
 
I don't know if they are pro or "bedroom players". Some of them just said that the China V30 compared to V30 UK suck as hell ...
So if they said that - it must be something in that matter.

And I'm not afraid about used things ( Yeah , it's so hard to catch BRAND NEW thing that production is ended).
I'm just in touch with shop seller(a good friend ) and I can ger huge reduction of price , with additional guarantee.



And I'm still practicing , even right now.
I'm pleased with my tone ( even though the speakers are not broken yet , only a 3-6 hours), but I'm afraid that i can get better tone with UK V30 - Thats all ... :(
 
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