Fractal VP4 Effects

TheGreatGreen said:
Lol so you have no answer because you're talking out your ass. Got it. :)
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simonfrewler said:
If one is to defeat amp and can sims anyway, why go the fm3 route?
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Forgot to answer this question. You'd do this if you wanted more than 4 effects at a time, and/or if you wanted to be able to do mono pre-effects and stereo post-effects, neither of which the VP4 can do, but which some players would like.
 
TheGreatGreen said:
Lol so you have no answer because you're talking out your ass. Got it. :)
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Let's keep it simple. Op had a question, for which an alternate and ill fitting solution was posited.

Then I interject with facts, and then you interject supporting the ill fitting solution, and I'm the idiot. Bet. Just read.

Why would a solution need another solution...why is a fm3 better than a vp4, when op stated no need for amp and cab. This whole snafu is unnecessary and stupid. Thus the square peg round hole gif.

I am not coming from a superior position and have actual experience...but apparently not to your caliber. oops.

Geez. Defensive about fas much.
 
Killcrop said:
I am guessing I can turn off the amp mod and just run the FM3 as effects into my tube amp?
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Correct. I haven’t used digital in years, but had the axe fx 3 when I did, and I used it in 4cm into my amps with no problem. The fm3 has way more options even if you are completely ignoring amp modeling, and allows more fx at the same time. If you need to add a 20$ cable or box to avoid the noise issues ( no idea about them since I’ve never had a fm3), it’s still an exponentially more powerful device than the vp9, with the added benefit of amp modeling if you ever wanted to use it direct, and with the other benefit of using it as a midi switcher for your amps- I used to use my axe fx to switch channels on my amps, while switching in and out fx at the same time, and even the color of the lighting on one of my amps as seen in the video I’ll link below.

 
simonfrewler said:
Let's keep it simple. Op had a question, for which an alternate and ill fitting solution was posited.

Then I interject with facts, and then you interject supporting the ill fitting solution, and I'm the idiot. Bet. Just read.

Why would a solution need another solution...why is a fm3 better than a vp4, when op stated no need for amp and cab. This whole snafu is unnecessary and stupid. Thus the square peg round hole gif.

I am not coming from a superior position and have actual experience...but apparently not to your caliber. oops.

Geez. Defensive about fas much.
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Yes, let's keep it simple. OP had a question, which you chimed in with "watch out for shipping costs!!!!!" as if that's not the most obvious thing in the world. Want to warn him about taxes too? Maybe also warn him about the "hidden fees" of having to buy a few more cables to run a rig with an extra component as well? Anyway, after your "contribution" to the thread, I actually answered the OP's question clearly.

Then someone chimed into the conversation with a suggestion to consider an FM3, which is a completely valid suggestion, especially when you can get a used one for maybe less than $200 difference between that and a new VP4.

From there, you started going on about how "problematic" the FM3 is because "it has the possibility of causing ground loops when used in the 4CM" as if that's some unique problem to the FM3. This told me you really don't know much about ground loops or how they work, only that you've personally heard that specifically the FM3 inherently causes "noise and ground issues" which is false.

After that, I came in to further explain that it's not that the FM3 uniquely has some ground loop problem, but rather any AC-powered singular device like that, with the ability to do 4CM routing, has the potential for ground loops.

Then you acted like the possibility of ground loops "proved" whatever point you were trying to make about how the FM3 was "problematic" which is ridiculous. And it has nothing to do with me being defensive about FAS, btw. It has to do with me being defensive about the OP's understanding of gear which you might be misguiding because your lack of knowledge about how ground loops work. Then I explained how to fix ANY ground loop easily and cheaply, because ground loops are common things with any sufficiently complex rig.

Then I explained the advantages of the FM3 and why someone might want one over the VP4, answering your earlier question directly.

But sure. I'm the idiot here. Right.
 
TheGreatGreen said:
Yes, let's keep it simple. OP had a question, which you chimed in with "watch out for shipping costs!!!!!" as if that's not the most obvious thing in the world. Want to warn him about taxes too? Maybe also warn him about the "hidden fees" of having to buy a few more cables to run a rig with an extra component as well? Anyway, after your "contribution" to the thread, I actually answered the OP's question clearly.

Then someone chimed into the conversation with a suggestion to consider an FM3, which is a completely valid suggestion, especially when you can get a used one for maybe less than $200 difference between that and a new VP4.

From there, you started going on about how "problematic" the FM3 is because "it has the possibility of causing ground loops when used in the 4CM" as if that's some unique problem to the FM3. This told me that you really don't know much about ground loops or how they work, only that you've personally heard that specifically the FM3 causes "noise and ground issues."

After that, I came in to further explain that it's not that the FM3 uniquely has some ground loop problem, but rather any AC-powered singular device like that, with the ability to do 4CM routing, has the potential for ground loops.

Then you acted like the possibility of ground loops "proved" whatever point you were trying to make about how the FM3 was "problematic" which is ridiculous. It has nothing to do with me being defensive about FAS, btw. It has to do with being defensive about you having no idea how ground loops work, which I know because you're talking about them as if they're directly caused by a specific piece of gear, which is wrong.Then I explained how to fix ANY ground loop easily and cheaply, because ground loops are common things with any sufficiently complex rig.

Then I explained the advantages of the FM3 and why someone might want one over the VP4, answering your earlier question directly.

But sure. I'm the idiot here. Right.
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Long winded much.

Why do you get so sensitive?

Why do you assume you are the only one with knowledge, and that you're the authority?
Calm down. You have been passive aggressive from the beginning. I raised valid potential issues and here we are still going on.

You FAS dudes are very hilarious. Kind of a big turn off for potential customers actually.

Jesus. Overreacting is a tell, by the way.

I will politely leave this thread, as apparently only certain opinions are wanted.
 
jbru91 said:
So you could run 4 effects plus have the Gate and EQ for each preset then? If so that would be epic. I've taken a step back and realize i'm just going to only play in mono at home given the amount of space I have. This could be the ideal solution.
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simonfrewler said:
Long winded much.

Why do you get so sensitive?

Why do you assume you are the only one with knowledge, and that your the authority?
Calm down. You have been passive aggressive from the beginning. I raised valid potential issues and here we are still going on.

You FAS dudes are very hilarious. Kind of a big turn off for potential customers actually.

Jesus. Overreacting is a tell, by the way.
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I explained a lot because was fun talking about how wrong somebody is who confidently claims how in the right they are when they're not.

I'm "sensitive" about it for the same reason other people on this forum are "sensitive" about it. It's because I don't like it when people like you confidently spew garbage nonsense you don't even understand in a thread where someone is trying to learn something and asking genuine advice. Take that shit back to The Gear Page where every jackoff idiot on the internet whose cousin's grandma has a guitar also confidently spouts bullshit they don't understand.

Also by no means do I assume I am the only one with knowledge or that I am any kind of authority. Plenty of people know plenty more than me. I only know what I know, and I know based on what you typed that you don't know what you're talking about.

Also lol I don't work for or with FAS so I really couldn't care less whether or not you want to buy something they make. However if your decision to do that is impacted by some random person on the internet like me, then man I don't even know how to respond to that.
 
TheGreatGreen said:
I explained a lot because it's fun talking about how wrong and misguided you are.

I'm "sensitive" about it for the same reason other people on this forum are "sensitive" about it. It's because I don't like it when people like you confidently spew garbage nonsense you don't even understand in a thread where someone is trying to learn something and asking genuine advice. Take that shit back to The Gear Page where every jackoff idiot on the internet whose cousin's grandma has a guitar also confidently spouts bullshit they don't understand.

Also by no means do I assume I am the only one with knowledge or that I am any kind of authority. I only know what I know, and I know based on what you typed that you don't know what you're talking about.

Also lol I don't work for or with FAS so I really couldn't care less whether or not you want to buy something they make. However if your decision to do that is impacted by some random person on the internet like me, then man I don't even know how to respond to that.
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You're so edgy. Ooohhhh.

You actually come off like a condescending prick. I was doing nothing wrong and you have continuously attacked me with dumb ass logical fallacies. Grow up bud.

You're not the only dickhead on the Internet with experience.
 
I was initially interested in the VP4, but someone suggested the FM3. I might like going direct live, I don't really know. I have never tried it but I know I would use the FM3 for the effects alone and maybe the amp sims.

Then someone said just get the VP4. So I am no closer than when I started. lol.
 
Yehuda said:
Having read this just now, if the vp4 doesn’t have midi, it’s even more of a clear case. But yeah, considering a used fm3 can be found for 650-750 on fb marketplace easily, it’s just straight up more features and options for a better price.
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