Fuckaroo Bonzai...The JVM KILLS.....................

[thiswaythatway]

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I was lucky to score my new computer, my tax return and bonus are gone already for windows and paint

MAke sure you get a thick pavement job, some of those ass clowns lay down shit and it breaks in three years

And my Chimney needs about $1000 worth of repairs, but i used it on New Years anyway.

I have to let my wife let me rejoin to cover band scene, i made almost as much money as my day job. But playing out 4 days a week just wouldn't fly.

And i played the perfect tug boat yesterday, setup perfect, played great, sounded great, and for $1650 used.

But i also played a PRS Custom 24 that was a shred machine but sounded nearly as fat as the Paul. Shit, can't a nigga get a table dance?

 

[Les Zombie]

Naw carl I don't tongue anybodys ass, i don't try to insult people for no reason is all. I've never had a problem on the boards up till today.

If you wasn't such a TARD you would see that I've never said anything bad about the jvm.

Maybe your a drunk and that's why you act like you do. If that's the case I won't feel the need to argure with you, instead I will feel sorry for ya. And if your a drug addict then I might even try and help ya.

 

[thiswaythatway]

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Although I admit I'm somewhat intrigued by this amp...I'm curious to hear what everyone says a month or two from now. Personally, I know that's about how long it takes for some of the "annoying" tones to reveal themselves in an amp I usually start out loving. If those tones don't exist after a month or so, then I know I'm in love.

I'm not trying to sound like a dick but when a bunch of JVM's do start popping up for sale just take into consideration who's selling them. I'm not one to trash someones elses playing or talk down to an inexperienced player but the first guy who started posting JVM clips said he wanted to sell it because of a design flaw, and honestly, i couldn't listen to his clips because of his playing. He sounded like a kid who's been playing for only a few months. But hey, we were all there at one point and he will probably improve a lot. But i won't put much stock into his amp reviews.

 

[Craggin]

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I'm not trying to sound like a dick but when a bunch of JVM's do start popping up for sale just take into consideration who's selling them. I'm not one to trash someones elses playing or talk down to an inexperienced player but the first guy who started posting JVM clips said he wanted to sell it because of a design flaw, and honestly, i couldn't listen to his clips because of his playing. He sounded like a kid who's been playing for only a few months. But hey, we were all there at one point and he will probably improve a lot. But i won't put much stock into his amp reviews.

Absolutely.

Another thing we can almost universally count on is that in about 3 months a shit load of them will go on sale. Why...because a bunch of people will buy the amp, untested, based on rave reviews. Most of those people will not take the time, or don't know how, to dial in an amp. Then the sell off...same as it ever was. The peeps who know better, will hang on until something better comes along...could be months (probably not), could be years.



....same as it ever was.

 

[killertone]

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Hey

I paid 1200 new for my jvm out the door brand new.

Dealer cost is just below that, but not by much. I was a Marshall Dealer for 7 years and still have friends there. You got a great hook-up and it is obvious that you blow a lot of dough at whatever store you got that from. I guess they don't care that you sold it a few days later for a profit.

 

[guitarslingerans]

I had Peter Diezel tweaking as I was playing the Herbert and yeah I can't see the JVM having that low a bottom end.

The Herbert has a big low end, that's for sure, but, that low end pretty much dissapears when you get into a band setting. When I owned my Herbert, it lost in a band setting, and I just never understood it. The VH4 I had absolutely killed with the band, it stood up to anything and everything and sounded great, the Herbert though, when I would play along with JUST my drummer, testing out a new riff or whatever, sounded great, then when the drums startd going, it sounded as if the bottom fell out of the Herbert's sound. Needless to say, I sold it soon thereafter.

To me, an amp's worth, in terms of tone, doesn't come from playing it by itself, it comes from playing it in the band you may be in, seeing how it sounds with the entire mix of instruments. Hearing what qualiteis it loses and what qualities it retains while the entire barrage of sounds and frequencies are surrounding it. Granted, there seem to be many "basement dwellers", as you guys would put it, around here, and I could understand why the Herbert holds such high regard among those guys, because by itself, it's one of the best amps I've ever heard, by itself. In a band..........not soo much.


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[kannibul]

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Hey CARL THE COCKSUCKER,
Post this with the rest of my posts you linked together.

I paid 1200 new for my jvm out the door brand new, at that price it still didn't blow me away. I have more than enough money to buy and keep it but I didn't like it. I can afford pretty much whatever amps and guitars I want and if I like my beloved splawn better so what. Like you said earlier I sell my amps and my opinion shouldn't count. But I've been playing uberschalls for 2 years, powerballs for 3 years, and splawns over a years. So there are some amps I do keep.

Cocksucker carl, one more thing I really hope you jvm falls apart, or burns out.
You a old deadbeat,loser,faggot,dicksucking, jackoff.
Who's gonna be afraid of you, aka carl the long island cocksucker, also part of the ny tone rangers.

I think you're full of shit - no way could you get one for $1200.

 

[Japetus The Great]

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I think you're full of shit - no way could you get one for $1200.

I don't doubt him, he gets insane gear deals all the time.

 

[simbasa]

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The Herbert has a big low end, that's for sure, but, that low end pretty much dissapears when you get into a band setting. When I owned my Herbert, it lost in a band setting, and I just never understood it. The VH4 I had absolutely killed with the band, it stood up to anything and everything and sounded great, the Herbert though, when I would play along with JUST my drummer, testing out a new riff or whatever, sounded great, then when the drums startd going, it sounded as if the bottom fell out of the Herbert's sound. Needless to say, I sold it soon thereafter.

To me, an amp's worth, in terms of tone, doesn't come from playing it by itself, it comes from playing it in the band you may be in, seeing how it sounds with the entire mix of instruments. Hearing what qualiteis it loses and what qualities it retains while the entire barrage of sounds and frequencies are surrounding it. Granted, there seem to be many "basement dwellers", as you guys would put it, around here, and I could understand why the Herbert holds such high regard among those guys, because by itself, it's one of the best amps I've ever heard, by itself. In a band..........not soo much.


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I have not really played the Herbie...just a few minutes in the store but ANY amp will lose ground if you dial the low end and cut the mids in a group setting. That's just the way it goes. I have heard guys before talking about Vh-4 sounding great solo and then getting lost in the mix. They just don't know how to dial in an amp and use the same settings as they did playing solo.

 

[mrp5150]

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I don't doubt him, he gets insane gear deals all the time.

+1

 

[Digital Jams]

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:|::QBB: I have not really played the Herbie...just a few minutes in the store but ANY amp will lose ground if you dial the low end and cut the mids in a group setting. That's just the way it goes. I have heard guys before talking about Vh-4 sounding great solo and then getting lost in the mix. They just don't know how to dial in an amp and use the same settings as they did playing solo.

Yeah, I am possitive that the settings that I have at home will not work in a band enviroment and that goes for the Herbert when I was playing it at NAMM.

I had to re-eq my MK IV when I was jamming with some guys last month, I was getting buried at first.

 

[gybe!]

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:|::QBB: I have not really played the Herbie...just a few minutes in the store but ANY amp will lose ground if you dial the low end and cut the mids in a group setting. That's just the way it goes. I have heard guys before talking about Vh-4 sounding great solo and then getting lost in the mix. They just don't know how to dial in an amp and use the same settings as they did playing solo.

Well, I will also say that I also found the Herbert to not cut in a jam setting at all, it just seemed to disappear. This was in a rehersal studio that I had built and played in with the same band for 15 hours a week for 7 years. My Riveras, Bogner, VHT, and Marshalls all cut through just fine. The Diezel, not so much. I know that space better than my own bedroom and that amp just did not cut it. I had the mids cranked and the bass around noon on ch. 2 and 3, no mid cut. Unfortunately through Celestion 75s at the time, but I have never had a problem with them cutting before. Just food for thought as not everybody is as noobish as you assume...

 

[guitarslingerans]

just a few minutes in the store but ANY amp will lose ground if you dial the low end and cut the mids in a group setting. That's just the way it goes. I have heard guys before talking about Vh-4 sounding great solo and then getting lost in the mix. They just don't know how to dial in an amp and use the same settings as they did playing solo.

Yeah dude, you nailed it.....I don't know how to E.Q. an amp.


I never even used the mid cut feature on the Herbert an had the mids around 1-2 o clock on the dial, via 2 Mesa Tradtitional straight front 4x12's, the +/- switch off, and the gain at around 11 o' clock on channel 2.....and it got buried in a band mix. I owned a VH4 for about 2 years and NEVER had a problem with it. With all the EQ dials on about noon, on channel 3, that amp sang, it punched through band mixes and was as quiet as a mouse. I've owned many high end, boutique amps and the 3 that have had problems gettign lost in a band mix were the ENGL Powerball, Bogern Uberschall, and Diezel Herbert. All those amps sounded awesome playing by yourself, but in band situations, they got mashed, and I think it has to do with the super scooped, bottom heavy voicings they have. Guitar amps are not supposed to be low end monsters, that is what bass guitars are for.

I have not really played the Herbie...just a few minutes in the store

Oh wait.......I didn't even need to type any of that, because if you ever got it home into a band, you'd realize the same thing.

Well, I will also say that I also found the Herbert to not cut in a jam setting at all, it just seemed to disappear. This was in a rehersal studio that I had built and played in with the same band for 15 hours a week for 7 years. My Riveras, Bogner, VHT, and Marshalls all cut through just fine. The Diezel, not so much. I know that space better than my own bedroom and that amp just did not cut it. I had the mids cranked and the bass around noon on ch. 2 and 3, no mid cut. Unfortunately through Celestion 75s at the time, but I have never had a problem with them cutting before. Just food for thought as not everybody is as noobish as you assume...

Thanks bro for the back-up. Derek B has the same opinion of the Herbert, and at 180 watts, the Herbert should not be bowing down to any amp.

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[thegame]

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The Herbert has a big low end, that's for sure, but, that low end pretty much dissapears when you get into a band setting. When I owned my Herbert, it lost in a band setting, and I just never understood it. The VH4 I had absolutely killed with the band, it stood up to anything and everything and sounded great, the Herbert though, when I would play along with JUST my drummer, testing out a new riff or whatever, sounded great, then when the drums startd going, it sounded as if the bottom fell out of the Herbert's sound. Needless to say, I sold it soon thereafter.

To me, an amp's worth, in terms of tone, doesn't come from playing it by itself, it comes from playing it in the band you may be in, seeing how it sounds with the entire mix of instruments. Hearing what qualiteis it loses and what qualities it retains while the entire barrage of sounds and frequencies are surrounding it. Granted, there seem to be many "basement dwellers", as you guys would put it, around here, and I could understand why the Herbert holds such high regard among those guys, because by itself, it's one of the best amps I've ever heard, by itself. In a band..........not soo much.


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Thats exactly what happened to me too. Yourself, Steve Snider, GYBE, DerekB, and me all have the same findings with the Herbert.

 

[guitarslingerans]

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Thats exactly what happened to me too. Yourself, Steve Snider, GYBE, DerekB, and me all have the same findings with the Herbert.

There is one way to solve that problem with the Herbert, and it's to BAKE the power amp, but since it's 180 watts, when you start baking it, the volume it's at is absolutely ridiculous, and any club you showed up to with it would laugh you right out of the place.

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[thegame]

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There is one way to solve that problem with the Herbert, and it's to BAKE the power amp, but since it's 180 watts, when you start baking it, the volume it's at is absolutely ridiculous, and any club you showed up to with it would laugh you right out of the place.

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Oh I cranked mine but it didn't really help. Being loud and cutting thru is not neccessarily the same thing. I didn't find the amp particularly loud for 180w. I've played much louder amps that are rated lower than 180w.

 

[Shiny_Surface]

I've owned many high end, boutique amps and the 3 that have had problems gettign lost in a band mix were the ENGL Powerball, Bogern Uberschall, and Diezel Herbert.

Which Revision Uberschall did you have? Just wondering.

I had a Revision 2 and struggled with it over my drummers cymbal wash. The brighter Revision Blue I can hear myself fine for what the amp is voiced for

 

[guitarslingerans]

No, no, you misunderstood me somewhat. I didn't mean the actual volume helped, but it was the power tube "OOMPH" it got from being cranked that helped the tonal charactoristics of the amp. Bear in mind, the Herbert that I had was loaded with a duet of 6L6's, EL34s, AND KT88s, all at the same time, so that may have made the difference in my findings, as compared to yours. But I agree, a good amp doesn't need to have volume to dominate a mix, it needs to have the VOICING and tone, that dominates a mix, befroe anything else.

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[ejecta]

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I don't doubt him, he gets insane gear deals all the time.

Or so he claims, who can really tell?

 

[Digital Jams]

What type of music are we talking about that these amps are not cuting through anyways.....tuning as well?

I know for what I play all those amps should not have too much trouble, when I play in B with my 7 I know that I need to re-eq to get above the cymbols and bass.