Geaux LSU !!!

[Buckeyedog]

I hope LSU rolls OSU - since I'm tired of OSU being rewarded for sitting at home while other conferences put their records at risk - continuing to play good teams and conference championship games.[/quote]

Are you serious? No one held a gun to the other conferences and made them have a championship game. It's all about the money. Plus we don't have the 12 teams in the conference to divide up into two divisions. So the Big 10 should "have" to add another team and have a conference champ. game just because some other conferences do it? What about the Big East???? Pac 10?? They don't have them either. Are you going to mandate that to them as well??

 

[Buckeyedog]

The Big East is much stronger and more competitive than people think. I don't see how WVU and Mizzou wouldn't have been a great title game? I'd love to see WVU play one of the "elite" teams like LSU and run all over them.

WVU couldn't beat 4-7 Pitt......you think they'd run over LSU? Wow!

 

[EightmanVT]

I hope LSU rolls OSU - since I'm tired of OSU being rewarded for sitting at home while other conferences put their records at risk - continuing to play good teams and conference championship games.

Are you serious? No one held a gun to the other conferences and made them have a championship game. It's all about the money. Plus we don't have the 12 teams in the conference to divide up into two divisions. So the Big 10 should "have" to add another team and have a conference champ. game just because some other conferences do it? What about the Big East???? Pac 10?? They don't have them either. Are you going to mandate that to them as well??[/quote]


I swear the Big Ten guys have a written script for their defense....that's the standard reply...the Big Ten isn't just about the money...that's why we don't have a conference championship game...the rest of the conferences are greedy ...so they do. Come on??!!! In all seriousness - you have to know that's nonsense. CFB in general is as much about the money as it is about competition -- in every conference. The Big Ten/Pac 10 commissioners well understand that they've benefitted several seasons by not letting their teams have an additional chance at a loss. You guys always clamor for a playoff - well we're never going to get one ...not for a long time. But what is feasible is for all major BCS conferences to institute a championshipg game. Guess what - at least that's 1 bracket of a playoff...the rankings and BCS decide the rest. Yes - absolutely each BCS conference should have a championship game - and that includes the Pac-10.

Regarding needing 12 teams...either bring WVU over - and put the Big East as a mid major...which it truly is (minus WVU), or force freaking Notre Dame to get their ass into a conference. They're not good enough anymore to justify their huge deal with NBC and all the money they get as an independent.

 

[Buckeyedog]

Oh I agree with most of your points. My point wasn't that the Big ten was not about the money........of course it is!! They all are. I'm just saying the Big Ten has done it this way for a hundred years. These other conferences got to 12 teams and decided to have a conference championship (for an extra $1M)........all well and good, but don't hammer the Big Ten if they don't just "follow along"!

To say anything with the NCAA is not about the $$ is foolish! Big Ten included!!

I think we have tried to add Notre Dame but their pompous asses declined as they are "too good" for the Big Ten. Kind of glad to see them have such a "awesome" season with Mr. Genius coach.......ha ha

Also, you don't think the SEC has benefitted from having a conference champ. game?? LSU got in this year due to the conf. champ. game........Fla got in last year due to conf. champ. game, so it's not totally advantageous to not have one. Works both ways.

 

[gravfed]

I'm only talking about this season here--

As for the comment on conference competitiveness---all conferences are competitive, there are usually a few good teams at the top of each conference, but its the depth that separates the SEC/Big12/Pac10 from the Big East/ACC/Big10. In the former your "easy" weeks might be an Arkansas, Alabama, Texas Tech, Oregon St, etc. In the latter you are looking the Minnesotas, Indianas, Marylands, Dukes, etc. Thats not to say the SEC/Big12/Pac10 doesn't have some bad teams--Baylor, Wash St., Ole Miss come to mind, but there are many more "good" teams in those conferences, at least IMO. And for the record, though I may eat my words, I don't think WVU or Va. Tech would finish at the top of any of the "power conferences" this year at least, but at least we will have some interesting bowl games to find out.

 

[Buckeyedog]

Unfortunately I don't have much confidence in the Big 10 in bowls this year. First, Rose picked Illinois which put the next Big 10 team "up a rung" in the bowl ladder.

Illinois vs. USC......home game for USC
Michigan vs. Fla.......home game for FLA (I think this will get ugly quick)
OSU vs. LSU.....home game for LSU (hopefully my Bucks won't lay an egg like last year with Mr. Troy, alreay in the NFL, enjoying the banquet circuit, getting fat, Smith)

Also seems like the lower Big Ten teams are always playing higher rated team in their respective conferences.

Wisky finished like 4th are playing Tenn who played in the SEC champ game.

Most years I don't agree with you saying the Big 12 or Pac 10 is much better than the Big 10, but I'm not going to argue much this year.

 

[EightmanVT]

I'm only talking about this season here--

As for the comment on conference competitiveness---all conferences are competitive, there are usually a few good teams at the top of each conference, but its the depth that separates the SEC/Big12/Pac10 from the Big East/ACC/Big10. In the former your "easy" weeks might be an Arkansas, Alabama, Texas Tech, Oregon St, etc. In the latter you are looking the Minnesotas, Indianas, Marylands, Dukes, etc. Thats not to say the SEC/Big12/Pac10 doesn't have some bad teams--Baylor, Wash St., Ole Miss come to mind, but there are many more "good" teams in those conferences, at least IMO. And for the record, though I may eat my words, I don't think WVU or Va. Tech would finish at the top of any of the "power conferences" this year at least, but at least we will have some interesting bowl games to find out.

I don't think WVU would....but VT?? Even ACC haters agree that VT can play with anyone. I disagree with your analysis - but understand your point - but your conclusion is in error. I'll give you an example...if you really want to run that kind of analysis...let's do this - VT beat FSU (handily) who beat Alabama who beat Arkansas who beat LSU who thumped VT....and round and round we go.... I don't buy your conclusion at all...even mighty UGA struggled with GT - if you watched that game...you know what I mean...the final score was not indicative of the game...and VT spanked GT, at GT. Fact is...VT got LSU (at LSU)...at the beginning of the season...when they were nursing a completely banged up OL (see nonstop sacking of Glennon)...a RB with a mysterious muscle failure in his leg...and under confident QB play. Don't forget - LSU was the toast of the SEC a few years ago...when they rolled into Blacksburg talking the same superiority stuff you are - and got sent out whipped - I was there...I remember. The fact is - VT can play with anyone in the nation. I would bet that VT beats OSU...we'll see what they do against KU...Big 12 is relatively uncharted territory...although we used to play A&M back when they were still ranked each year - I don't know what the record is there. You can't put the Pac-10 on top...that's just silliness...yes...USC is a powerhouse but the rest of the PAC-10??? Not so much. Oregon is nothing without Dixon... Let's see what Oregon State does against a very average Maryland team in the Emeral Nuts bowl - I'll also point out that VT played USC very close when they were ranked #1 - very close!! See Matt Leinharts comments at the end of the game..and at the end of the season...to see how VT stacks up. Unlike OSU - we don't run from highly ranked OOC games..... Although..I hear that OSU is working to change that. WVU won't.

Top to Bottom - the SEC is hands down the strongest conference this year - and most years. In any given year the Big 10 has 2, possibly 3 strong teams...Mich, OSU(maybe), Penn St...Illinois is up and coming...but we'll see. Big 12 -- who do they have?? OU...who else?? Mizzou seems strong this year - but that's a program that has done nothing in 40 years...hard to believe they suddently got a top 10 class... they couldn't get past OU...oh...and that's the exact same OU team that was beaten by Boise State!! I see the conferences...top to bottom like this... SEC>ACC>Pac-10>Big 12>Big 10>CUSA>Big East -- Top to bottom comparison....with the realization that USC, OU and maybe OSU get plucked to the top from those conferences. Let's see what the bowl games bring....

Soooo....in closing Go Hokies!!! Geaux Tigers!!!! and everyone else...give us a good game to watch and may the better team win

 

[Buckeyedog]

You forgot about Wisky, they are usually pretty strong. Let's see, Wisky beat Arky last year and Penn State beat Tennecheat, so to say the Big ten is lame is just not true.

Let's also see, OSU has played Texas the previous two years (one with Vince Young).....I guess that's running away from tough OOC games.

We also scheduled to play Washington (this season) away a few years back.....they are usually pretty strong, so we get a pass in my mind.

We also have USC (08,09) the next few years, Miami (10,11), Cal (12,13), Vtech (14,15) and Oklahoma (16,17) coming up in that order...home and away. Yep, that's running away from tough games.

 

[EightmanVT]

You forgot about Wisky, they are usually pretty strong. Let's see, Wisky beat Arky last year and Penn State beat Tennecheat, so to say the Big ten is lame is just not true.

Let's also see, OSU has played Texas the previous two years.....I guess that's running away from tough OOC games.

We also scheduled to play Washington away a few years back.....they are usually pretty strong.

We also have USC the next few years, Miami, and even Vtech coming up I think. Yep, that's running away from tough games.

Like I said...OSU is changing it...but even the diehard OSU fans I know....and believe me when I say - I know too many admit that OSU's OOC schedule of late has been weak - and has hurt them in the national perception. Like I already pointed out - they're taking action to change that - which is great for CFB fans and OSU.

No way can I include Wisc...they were overranked to begin with.... Ark is perennially bottom of the SEC...although this year with DMAC - they were strong -- on that topic - since we're talking CFB - we should start a Heisman thread....to see what everyone thinks. I do and did Penn State, quality prog and school - PSU and VT have a lot in common.

 

[Buckeyedog]

Heisman to me is between Tebow and McFadden with Tebow in the lead.

 

[EightmanVT]

Heisman to me is between Tebow and McFadden with Tebow in the lead.

I agree that it's between Tebow and McFadden - but have to give the nod to McFadden - for the quality win against LSU - that they wouldn't have gotten close to without him...but also because he finished 2nd in the voting for the Heisman last year. I know it's a yearly trophy - but something just doesn't seem right if a guy finishes second 2 years in a row - that probably means he's actually the best college football player in America.

 

[gravfed]

I'm only talking about this season here--

As for the comment on conference competitiveness---all conferences are competitive, there are usually a few good teams at the top of each conference, but its the depth that separates the SEC/Big12/Pac10 from the Big East/ACC/Big10. In the former your "easy" weeks might be an Arkansas, Alabama, Texas Tech, Oregon St, etc. In the latter you are looking the Minnesotas, Indianas, Marylands, Dukes, etc. Thats not to say the SEC/Big12/Pac10 doesn't have some bad teams--Baylor, Wash St., Ole Miss come to mind, but there are many more "good" teams in those conferences, at least IMO. And for the record, though I may eat my words, I don't think WVU or Va. Tech would finish at the top of any of the "power conferences" this year at least, but at least we will have some interesting bowl games to find out.

I don't think WVU would....but VT?? Even ACC haters agree that VT can play with anyone. I disagree with your analysis - but understand your point - but your conclusion is in error. I'll give you an example...if you really want to run that kind of analysis...let's do this - VT beat FSU (handily) who beat Alabama who beat Arkansas who beat LSU who thumped VT....and round and round we go.... I don't buy your conclusion at all...even mighty UGA struggled with GT - if you watched that game...you know what I mean...the final score was not indicative of the game...and VT spanked GT, at GT. Fact is...VT got LSU (at LSU)...at the beginning of the season...when they were nursing a completely banged up OL (see nonstop sacking of Glennon)...a RB with a mysterious muscle failure in his leg...and under confident QB play. Don't forget - LSU was the toast of the SEC a few years ago...when they rolled into Blacksburg talking the same superiority stuff you are - and got sent out whipped - I was there...I remember. The fact is - VT can play with anyone in the nation. I would bet that VT beats OSU...we'll see what they do against KU...Big 12 is relatively uncharted territory...although we used to play A&M back when they were still ranked each year - I don't know what the record is there. You can't put the Pac-10 on top...that's just silliness...yes...USC is a powerhouse but the rest of the PAC-10??? Not so much. Oregon is nothing without Dixon... Let's see what Oregon State does against a very average Maryland team in the Emeral Nuts bowl - I'll also point out that VT played USC very close when they were ranked #1 - very close!! See Matt Leinharts comments at the end of the game..and at the end of the season...to see how VT stacks up. Unlike OSU - we don't run from highly ranked OOC games..... Although..I hear that OSU is working to change that. WVU won't.

Top to Bottom - the SEC is hands down the strongest conference this year - and most years. In any given year the Big 10 has 2, possibly 3 strong teams...Mich, OSU(maybe), Penn St...Illinois is up and coming...but we'll see. Big 12 -- who do they have?? OU...who else?? Mizzou seems strong this year - but that's a program that has done nothing in 40 years...hard to believe they suddently got a top 10 class... they couldn't get past OU...oh...and that's the exact same OU team that was beaten by Boise State!! I see the conferences...top to bottom like this... SEC>ACC>Pac-10>Big 12>Big 10>CUSA>Big East -- Top to bottom comparison....with the realization that USC, OU and maybe OSU get plucked to the top from those conferences. Let's see what the bowl games bring....

Soooo....in closing Go Hokies!!! Geaux Tigers!!!! and everyone else...give us a good game to watch and may the better team win

You put way more logic into that than I did, I was just taking things at face value. Not saying that I necessarily agree with you, but each to his own. My argument was simply that the middle of the SEC/Pac10/Big12 is superior to the middle of the B10/ACC/BE and that depth would cause serious problems for the winners of the other conferences.

First and foremost, I'm an OU fan, so there is surely some bias here. Secondly, this is a very different OU team than what lost of Boise St. New QB, new RB (though losing AD was tough, but he wasn't really a factor in that game), receivers are much improved, the D has matured, and more. Not that they didn't have some brain farts this year, CU comes to mind, but a different team from what lost in the bowl last year. I have no real qualm with VT other than the blowout at LSU. I just have a tough time seeing them as a real contender with that type of loss--injuries or not. That said, they are easily the best of the ACC. BC was a nice story but it was bound to come to an end, VT beat them the first time in my book, but finished the deal nicely in the ACC championship. Anyways, thats my opinion, I'm excited to see how these bowl games play out, but in the mean time its sure fun to argue.

Anyways, I wish luck to all the teams except WVU (for very biased reasons listed above) and may the best win.


editS----IMO no two loss team should be in the national championship, especially when there is an undefeated them. I think Hawaii would get rolled in the NC game, but I also think it is unfair to tell any mid major in no uncertain terms that it can't win a national championship. If there was ever a year a mid-major should have a shot, it was this year.

 

[SFW]

Fact is...VT got LSU (at LSU)

.... ah... LSU spanked VT 48 to 7 this year....

LSU has played a great season this year. The games they lost were to good teams. Granted, I think that they should have had a perfect season this year- the talent was there... just dropped the ball a few times, so to speak. I'm hoping for a good game. Although I do want LSU to win.

 

[EightmanVT]

Fact is...VT got LSU (at LSU)

.... ah... LSU spanked VT 48 to 7 this year....

LSU has played a great season this year. The games they lost were to good teams. Granted, I think that they should have had a perfect season this year- the talent was there... just dropped the ball a few times, so to speak. I'm hoping for a good game. Although I do want LSU to win.

I'm missing what you're getting at with that quote?? Did you read my post?

 

[SFW]

I'm missing what you're getting at with that quote?? Did you read my post?

Yeah... after I posted, I realised what you were saying.... sorry about that.

 

[Lord Toneking]

I'm an Ohioan and a huge Buckeyes fan. Do I believe OSU is one of the best two teams in the country? Not really. Do I believe that they can beat LSU? I honestly do. Last years thumping from Florida is going to be this years motivation (that and the fact that everyone is crying that they should'nt be there)

I'm expecting a good game

 

[sandman]

I'm an Ohioan and a huge Buckeyes fan. Do I believe OSU is one of the best two teams in the country? Not really. Do I believe that they can beat LSU? I honestly do. Last years thumping from Florida is going to be this years motivation (that and the fact that everyone is crying that they should'nt be there)

I'm expecting a good game

bring it on!!!

 

[Dale B]

I'm an Ohioan and a huge Buckeyes fan. Do I believe OSU is one of the best two teams in the country? Not really. Do I believe that they can beat LSU? I honestly do. Last years thumping from Florida is going to be this years motivation (that and the fact that everyone is crying that they should'nt be there)

I'm expecting a good game

 

[EightmanVT]

I'm an Ohioan and a huge Buckeyes fan. Do I believe OSU is one of the best two teams in the country? Not really. Do I believe that they can beat LSU? I honestly do. Last years thumping from Florida is going to be this years motivation (that and the fact that everyone is crying that they should'nt be there)

I'm expecting a good game

They start the brainwashing early in Ohio.....

 

[GnR102385]

I wanted to see Ohio St. vs. WVU. It would have been great to see WVU destroy them with the spread. It would have been great to see them against LSU as well. How LSU continues to play in close games against teams they are so much better than is beyond me. They have so much talent on both sides of the ball. I guess some of that could be because the SEC is so brutal a conference. I hope they beat the shit out of OSU though. I fucking hate Ohio State.