help me on a cab quest for my herbert

[jonb9]

I'm picking up every cab i can find to try with my herbert... I've own an OS semi-opened back 2x12 with g12 65's...It souned awful with it. is it because its an open back? Finding a diezel cab in my area is impossible. I've gotten some suggestions to try a VHT fatbottom, and a Mesa rec. Both 2x12's. what do you guys think?

I'm playing strats 50's-modern rock. any advice would be great! Thanks you!!!

 

[herbertmark5]

dude ifu can get a used randall warhead 4x12 it destoys all. i have a herbert and after the warhead cab all other cabs dissapoint. even my jackasss singer with no ears hears the difference when i plug it in others. v30s inside

 

[PaulyPanacea]

hey Jon
Buy Rob Tahans 4X12 ....thats a great starting point. U may love it. If u dont i bet an easy speaker swap would make it the way u want it!

 

[headown]

if you want to save money, get a Carvin Legacy with FL V30 !
I really love it and even like it better then my Engl XXL cab.

 

[jonb9]

hey Jon
Buy Rob Tahans 4X12 ....thats a great starting point. U may love it. If u dont i bet an easy speaker swap would make it the way u want it!

I just emailed him about that. man the open back sounds bad... I'm leaning towards the hempcones

 

[xmartx]

From my experience standard sized closed back frontloaded cabs with V30s work best with the Herbie for heavy sounds. Thats also what Peter recommended...
I'd stay away from the Fatbottom, great cab but mine wouldn't work that well with the Herbert, not enough mids and I didn't like the characteristic of the P50Es in combination with the Herbert.

 

[base341]

From my experience standard sized closed back frontloaded cabs with V30s work best with the Herbie for heavy sounds. Thats also what Peter recommended...
I'd stay away from the Fatbottom, great cab but mine wouldn't work that well with the Herbert, not enough mids and I didn't like the characteristic of the P50Es in combination with the Herbert.

My experience was exactly opposite. I had a fat bottom cab that I sold after selling the vht head I had.
I ran it with the Herbie for a while are really liked it. I regret selling it now.
I thought the p 50e's sounded better than the v30's.

 

[xmartx]

From my experience standard sized closed back frontloaded cabs with V30s work best with the Herbie for heavy sounds. Thats also what Peter recommended...
I'd stay away from the Fatbottom, great cab but mine wouldn't work that well with the Herbert, not enough mids and I didn't like the characteristic of the P50Es in combination with the Herbert.

My experience was exactly opposite. I had a fat bottom cab that I sold after selling the vht head I had.
I ran it with the Herbie for a while are really liked it. I regret selling it now.
I thought the p 50e's sounded better than the v30's.

What style do you play? I really didn't dig the feeling of the P50Es at all with the Herbert. With my VHT CL and Framus Cobra the VHT cab was awesome though.

 

[Rob Tahan]

Taste is subjective and tone just the same. I personally have never liked V30 speakers and have yet to enjoy any tones ive heard out of ANY cabinet with them in it. The best though ive heard of them was the diezel. And im not just saying that. BUT ive liked other diezel combination cabs better. I think im more a fan of mixing speakers though.
Really like how putting 2 speakers together can compliment each other.

 

[AngryGoldfish]

Taste is subjective and tone just the same. I personally have never liked V30 speakers and have yet to enjoy any tones ive heard out of ANY cabinet with them in it. The best though ive heard of them was the diezel. And im not just saying that. BUT ive liked other diezel combination cabs better. I think im more a fan of mixing speakers though.
Really like how putting 2 speakers together can compliment each other.

+1

G12 Vintage 30's and G12 K100's in an X pattern = awesomeness.

It's strange that the Heritage 65's you mentioned didn't work with the Herbert. They work nicely with a Soldano - though they sound more "80's" than a Diezel would.

Vintage 30's are great as a speaker to start with because of how they cut through the mix. If P. Diezel actually recommends them for the Herbert, definitely give a closed-back, frontloaded V30 2x12/4x12 a try.

 

[PaulyPanacea]

the V30/G12K100 combo is really killer also. I have them in my new FL cab.... and the V30/GT75 in my older FL that i use with the Herbert. Both are KILLERS!!! ive played my Diezels thru other cabs & they are never close. The closest i ever got was with a Mills cab...but still prefered my Diezel 4X12s!!!

 

[Hard&Heavy]

Go with diezel cabs you won't regret it. They really do work best with the herby.

 

[Mizati20]

When I got my first Herbert I had an oversized Mesa cab with V30's... mind you every single head I've plugged into that cab sounded fantastic, but everyone was telling me I was going to hate it with the Herbert, I really didn't believe anyone but sure enough, as soon as I got the Herbert in and plugged into the Mesa cab, I could tell something was wrong, there was just this "feeling" that I wasn't getting the entire sound the Herbert had to offer...

I have never played a Diezel cab, though I would absolutely love to someday, would be killer to have a matching Diezel head and cab, however I ended up finding a guy close to me with a Mills cab he wanted to trade SPECIFICALLY for a Mesa cab, I ended up doing the trade and have to say until I played my Mills cab I never really considered the speaker cab to be an intergral part of my sound... now I admit that is a fairly ignorant statement, but the Mills cabs are just incredible... I know there are several people on here who prefer them over the Diezel cabs, and even the guys with Diezel cabs still give the Mills cabs a big thumbs up, they may be a bit easier to find then a Diezel cab, however they are still rare to come across on the used market.

Just for reference mine is loaded with V30's and K100's in an X-Pattern it literally made the Herbert almost sound like a completely different amp, sounds great with my VH-4 as well, just giving you another option, good luck with your search!!!

 

[jonb9]

Yeah im on the search. I just changed out v1-v3 and it took away some of the fizz. I'm playing it through a old marshall jcm 900 for the moment. i have my mids cranked and the treble almost off... Keep in mind i'm playing strats so for a modern tone i need a push with the mids anyway. I'm searching for a 4x12 hopefully i'll find one soon. i played about 12 cabs in my local area. the bogner cabs with v30's sounded horrible literally like shit... I haven't played anything that sounds good so i'm very frustrated....

everyone mentions mixing speakers. I see what you going for but when your talking cabs keep in mind your cab is only as powerful as the weakest speaker. Often times this can cause phase issues/ impedance problems. when you consider trying to get to the sweet spot of a speaker you might find it more difficult especially if you have a mix of low and high wattage speakers. your high wattage speakers will not see the the same power flow as they are restricted from the weaker speakers. I spent 5 years working in pro audio assisting cab builders so i learned quite a bit... now keep in mind its all preference and this might sound good to you and thats all that matters right!

 

[PBGas]

Depending upon what you are playing.....would be a consideration.

I have a Diezel 2x12FL that had the Eminence speakers in there. It sounded fine. I found them a bit muddy when playing live. I switched them out with some G12K-100s and it is much clearer sounding and the bottom end is handled better now with more clarity. Took some breaking in of the speakers though before it became that way but it is a really great sounding 2x12.

 

[russell_holmes]

you know everyone seems to overlook the marshall 1960 cab....ill probably get shot down for this but hell, i just dont think the v30 speaker really does the job. The 75 watt G12 has bunch, brightness, clarity, and a tight low end that can be beefed up with your deep knob if necessary. it cuts through the mix better than anything else, and it's half the price of a mesa cab. it may not look as great or be as well made, but I'd rather have the tone that comes with it. The V30 is just way too muddy and carries so much bass that I can't get rid of it.

 

[mincy]

you know everyone seems to overlook the marshall 1960 cab....ill probably get shot down for this but hell, i just dont think the v30 speaker really does the job. The 75 watt G12 has bunch, brightness, clarity, and a tight low end that can be beefed up with your deep knob if necessary. it cuts through the mix better than anything else, and it's half the price of a mesa cab. it may not look as great or be as well made, but I'd rather have the tone that comes with it. The V30 is just way too muddy and carries so much bass that I can't get rid of it.

Not quite the same, but my 1982a cab with G12-80s sounded awesome with my Herbert. Then I took the speakers out of it and put them in my Mills cab and it was even better. But, I digress. My point is, the Marshall cab sounded really good. I'd take that Marshall cab (or the Mills) over the Mesa Stiletto I had before. Might even give the edge to the 1982a over my Road King cab with the Herbert. I'm not a Marshall guy at all and I really like that cab.

 

[Rob Tahan]

Go with diezel cabs you won't regret it. They really do work best with the herby.

+1000!

 

[ttosh]

Got my first of two Mesa 4x12 Stiletto Cabinets today with V30's. I cannot compare it with anything but the Marshall 1960B with G12T-75 Celestions but all I can say is the highs/mids/lows are all better, the sounds is rich and full and I am not going to say there are not better cabinets out there for the Herbert, but I will say I find no reason to search any further as I am quite happy with the overall tonal quality of this cabinet. Very very nice sounding...... Oh and Peter is right, V30s+Herbert=

 

[kickapoo]

Got my first of two Mesa 4x12 Stiletto Cabinets today with V30's. I cannot compare it with anything but the Marshall 1960B with G12T-75 Celestions but all I can say is the highs/mids/lows are all better, the sounds is rich and full and I am not going to say there are not better cabinets out there for the Herbert, but I will say I find no reason to search any further as I am quite happy with the overall tonal quality of this cabinet. Very very nice sounding...... Oh and Peter is right, V30s+Herbert=

How did you like the sound of the Herbert on the 1960B? I'm just asking, because I may be in for the Herbert and have the same cab. Unfortunately I don't have the money for another cab right now, so I just want to know if it would be quite ok for some time or if it's a total 'no-go' (of course I know that's all very subjective, it all comes down to individual taste).

A Framus Dragon 4x12 could be a nice and not-so-pricey alternative, does anyone have experiences with that cab on Herbie/VH4?

Oh and hello everyone by the way

Greetz from Germany,
kickapoo