HOLY HELL! 6505 MINI You Won't Believe How Good It Is!

[NinjaRaf]

Sheeeeit!!

 

[Viper]

I bought one of these and returned it within 30 minutes. I am a huge 5150 fan, particularly the 212 combo. And this one just did not stack up. Super flubby in the low end. I also disagree about it not sounding like a small amp. It sounds like a small amp to me. I massively preferred the Mark V 25.

Bullshit. I'm going to have to call you on it. First of all, you did't even describe this amp correctly. It doesn't have a flubby low end, and that's not subjective, it's just a fact. Second, what kind of goof buys an amp then only gives it less than 30 minutes of playing time and returns it? I guarantee you a seasoned player would need more than 30 minutes to give an amp a fair run, especially if you only played it through one cab. Your massive preference is your preference, and you can disagree all you like, but your post sounds like bullshit to me. I don't think you've even played one. I think you're a dude who owns a Mark V25 and felt a little butthurt that you spend $1000 more than an amp I said sound better on half of the channels. If you weren't full of shit, you'd have something specific to say instead of just disagreeing and mischaracterizing the amp.

lol, you're actually 110% about wrong about Raf. He's one of the 5150 experts. Nice try, though.

 

[NinjaRaf]

lol, you're actually 110% about wrong about Raf. He's one of the 5150 experts. Nice try, though.

haha thanks man!

I find it so funny that people say this about me. I have owned and played so many 5150s. Even did those PsychoDave mods to my old BL...that amp ended up getting bought by Fred and shipped to Russia. He paid like $300 or something ridiculous for shipping, too haha.

 

[Viper]

lol, you're actually 110% about wrong about Raf. He's one of the 5150 experts. Nice try, though.

haha thanks man!

I find it so funny that people say this about me. I have owned and played so many 5150s. Even did those PsychoDave mods to my old BL...that amp ended up getting bought by Fred and shipped to Russia. He paid like $300 or something ridiculous for shipping, too haha.

No problem man, I remember the HCAF ninja lows. You're always been a 5150 proponent.

 

[NinjaRaf]

Its just funny because I remember going with my buddy in college to pick up a 5150 off of CL, and not liking it much at all...then trying out our roommates 5150 212 combo, and loving that thing.

 

[Speeddemon]

@Raf, I guess you and I may think alike regarding tight lows.
That fine line, where tight still remains punchy and brutal, yet defined and clear, just not anemic.

For ease of use during gigging (being lightweight, but big glass) I like the 5150III 50W for what it is, but the more I play it next to either my Mark V:25 or any Engl, the more the III's mids feel to have something almost 'plasticky' to it. I like tight lows, but a certain open and raw quality to the mids.
Nowadays I probably play my Engl Savage 60 the most at home (same weight as the 5150III 50W by the way). Thing is, that amp really needs a noise gate, whereas the Mark and EVH don't.

@SavageRiffer, if you want übertight, screaming high gain from a small head, the Mark V:25's Mark IV mode will do that. But you gotta know how to properly dial in a Mark series. The saturation is just different than in the EVH/5150, and again different for Engls, another sound that I gravitate towards the most.

Would love to try out a Randall Thrasher 50, but they're nowhere to be found locally or regionally.
And if Engl or Mesa would come out with a small sized head (<24" wide, <30lbs), 2x 6L6 or 2x EL34, 2.5 or 3 channels, gorgeous cleans, footswitchable fx-loop...bring it on!

 

[NinjaRaf]

I felt the same way about the 5153. That thing was great for gigging. Light weight, loud, powerful, good tone. But playing it next to my Mark IV, it just didn't have the same low end punch or overall warmth. Similarly, compared to my Peavey, the Peavey was just way more brutal...which, to me, it the entire point of the 5150. Pure brutality. But having the low end be tight and defined without sounding like a mess is really critical. The 5153 had that. The 6505MH and regular 5150/6505 doesn't, IMO, without a boost.

 

[SavageRiffer]

I bought one of these and returned it within 30 minutes. I am a huge 5150 fan, particularly the 212 combo. And this one just did not stack up. Super flubby in the low end. I also disagree about it not sounding like a small amp. It sounds like a small amp to me. I massively preferred the Mark V 25.

Bullshit. I'm going to have to call you on it. First of all, you did't even describe this amp correctly. It doesn't have a flubby low end, and that's not subjective, it's just a fact. Second, what kind of goof buys an amp then only gives it less than 30 minutes of playing time and returns it? I guarantee you a seasoned player would need more than 30 minutes to give an amp a fair run, especially if you only played it through one cab. Your massive preference is your preference, and you can disagree all you like, but your post sounds like bullshit to me. I don't think you've even played one. I think you're a dude who owns a Mark V25 and felt a little butthurt that you spend $1000 more than an amp I said sound better on half of the channels. If you weren't full of shit, you'd have something specific to say instead of just disagreeing and mischaracterizing the amp.

lol, you're actually 110% about wrong about Raf. He's one of the 5150 experts. Nice try, though.

Actually, you are all 110% wrong. First of all, the point was that the 6505 mini is a badass little amp. That's all. I never said it was as good, or had as much low end, or whatever, but for some reason you boys just kept running with that stupidity. He said the 6505m was "loose and flubby" in the low end. It's clearly not, so I called him out on it. I have one among other big heads, and I can tell you it's not "loose and flubby." If you think that then you've never played one or you're just full of shit because you're coming to the defense of your buddy who is apparently illiterate.

 

[Viper]

I got my rig this past Christmas, $350 for the 6505mh and $250 for the Mesa 1x12 oversized cab, not bad for $600.

I love it, it does the clean channel a lot better than my block 5150 did, the crunch channel is awesome, boosted, it does the low gain thing very well without sounding weak. I love the red channel, sounds just like a 5150, and I keep it at halfway on the volume and there is no fizz whatsoever.

Actually, you are all 110% wrong. First of all, the point was that the 6505 mini is a badass little amp. That's all. I never said it was as good, or had as much low end, or whatever, but for some reason you boys just kept running with that stupidity. He said the 6505m was "loose and flubby" in the low end. It's clearly not, so I called him out on it. I have one among other big heads, and I can tell you it's not "loose and flubby." If you think that then you've never played one or you're just full of shit because you're coming to the defense of your buddy who is apparently illiterate.

Reading comprehension, how does it work?

 

[magh8]

Sorry, but I consider Raf to be one of the world's leading experts on the 6505/5150 tone and all things regarding tight low end.

haha Thanks dude! I was the founder of the whole ninja lows thing way back in the HCAF days.

LOL. Man when you exaggerate stuff like that it makes it sound like you're just being a naysayer. It's not flubby or shitty in any way. It's not perfect, nor did I ever say it was exactly the same as a full-sized amp, but it's a good little, affordable amp that performs well for metal. To say anything wildly different is just taking it way too far. If you would have said, "it's not nearly as tight as I thought it would be" or something like that wouldn't be disagreeable. If you come along like "It sounds like a shitty ass with flies on it and it's girlfriend sucks my amp's dick" then well I gotta call it out.

Well, I mean...look how insane your post comes across lol. I only jumped on the being facetious train because of how ridiculous your reaction was, and the fact that dooredge (who I talk with on a very regular basis outside of the forums) jumped in, too. Also, did I say any of that nonsense about it sounding like a shitty ass with flies or whatever? No. I said the low end was flubby. That is my opinion, and a very strong one that I have YEARS of experience to back up. I am extremely particular about low end response being tight in a specific way. Some amps have it, most dont, and I know if an amp has it within the first 5 minutes of playing it. To state that the low end being tight is fact, as you stated, is just not true. Its tight compared to what? Compared to a Mark series? Not even close. Compared to a 5150II? Nope, its not. Compared to a KSR? Again...not even close. Its all about your preferences and experiences, and mine just do not align with your praise on this amp.

Also, my first post was not an exaggeration in any way at all. I had an RMA from Zzounds within 45 minutes of the amp arriving. Main reason was the low end response being loose and flubby. It just didn't sound or feel tight at all to me.

Come on man, you know that's exaggerated. I've already posted some videos which shows it's clearly not the way you describe. Someone who complains that the 6505 mini is too "loose and flubby" would complain that their girlfriend is too loose and has a flubby low end.

lol

 

[NinjaRaf]

I bought one of these and returned it within 30 minutes. I am a huge 5150 fan, particularly the 212 combo. And this one just did not stack up. Super flubby in the low end. I also disagree about it not sounding like a small amp. It sounds like a small amp to me. I massively preferred the Mark V 25.

Bullshit. I'm going to have to call you on it. First of all, you did't even describe this amp correctly. It doesn't have a flubby low end, and that's not subjective, it's just a fact. Second, what kind of goof buys an amp then only gives it less than 30 minutes of playing time and returns it? I guarantee you a seasoned player would need more than 30 minutes to give an amp a fair run, especially if you only played it through one cab. Your massive preference is your preference, and you can disagree all you like, but your post sounds like bullshit to me. I don't think you've even played one. I think you're a dude who owns a Mark V25 and felt a little butthurt that you spend $1000 more than an amp I said sound better on half of the channels. If you weren't full of shit, you'd have something specific to say instead of just disagreeing and mischaracterizing the amp.

lol, you're actually 110% about wrong about Raf. He's one of the 5150 experts. Nice try, though.

Actually, you are all 110% wrong. First of all, the point was that the 6505 mini is a badass little amp. That's all. I never said it was as good, or had as much low end, or whatever, but for some reason you boys just kept running with that stupidity. He said the 6505m was "loose and flubby" in the low end. It's clearly not, so I called him out on it. I have one among other big heads, and I can tell you it's not "loose and flubby." If you think that then you've never played one or you're just full of shit because you're coming to the defense of your buddy who is apparently illiterate.

So because my definition of loose and flubby is different from yours, Im illiterate? What the fuck is even going on here anymore.

Yes. To me, this amp is loose and flubby. Sorry you can't accept that my opinion differs from yours.

 

[Gsxrbusa]

I had this amp for a couple months. Not a bad lower volume amp. It didn't have the thump of it's bigger brothers. Big iron and big bottles just sound right to me. Not fair to compare them really. FWIW the Katana kicks the crap out of the mini.

rbasaria is the undisputed 5150 King.

 

[braintheory]

I wouldn't call the 6505mh's low end loose or flubby, but for guys who are very picky about having a tight low end like myself (and it sounds like rbasaria is also like that), the mini version won't cut it (at least not without a boost), so I wouldn't call it loose or flubby myself, but I can easily see how it can seem that way if you're used to super tight, robust sounding amps, which the 6505mh isn't, but I have yet to play a mini amp that is

 

[SavageRiffer]

I wouldn't call the 6505mh's low end loose or flubby, but for guys who are very picky about having a tight low end like myself (and it sounds like rbasaria is also like that), the mini version won't cut it (at least not without a boost), so I wouldn't call it loose or flubby myself, but I can easily see how it can seem that way if you're used to super tight, robust sounding amps, which the 6505mh isn't, but I have yet to play a mini amp that is

Now this is a perfectly reasonable statement.

 

[Speeddemon]

, but I can easily see how it can seem that way if you're used to super tight, robust sounding amps, which the 6505mh isn't, but I have yet to play a mini amp that is

Have you played the Engl Ironball or Mark V:25 in Mark IV mode with GEQ set to a V?

Sounds pretty ffin' tight to me.

 

[braintheory]

, but I can easily see how it can seem that way if you're used to super tight, robust sounding amps, which the 6505mh isn't, but I have yet to play a mini amp that is

Have you played the Engl Ironball or Mark V:25 in Mark IV mode with GEQ set to a V?

Sounds pretty ffin' tight to me.

Yeah those amps are definitely tighter, but I still wouldn't choose them over their bigger brothers. I also found the Ironball to be one of the more processed sounding Engls

So far, the Bogner Atma has been the most impressive mini amp I've tried, but it obviously isn't suited for modern metal or tightness, but I remember it sounding very big, ballsy, and loud for a mini amp

 

[rottingcorpse]

I had this amp for a couple months. Not a bad lower volume amp. It didn't have the thump of it's bigger brothers. Big iron and big bottles just sound right to me. Not fair to compare them really.

Bingo. I am sure savageriffer is impressed with the 6505m head. But there has not been an amp with small power bottles that has the tight bottom of most(if not all)of the amps in my room.

 

[Speeddemon]

So far, the Bogner Atma has been the most impressive mini amp I've tried, but it obviously isn't suited for modern metal or tightness, but I remember it sounding very big, ballsy, and loud for a mini amp

That's my experience with the Mark V:25 in Xtreme mode. That mode has LESS gain than the Mark IV mode, but sounds bigger and more open. Very big sounding for such a small amp. But otherwise I'm with you; I prefer playing bigger glass/iron amps, even at home.

 

[braintheory]

So far, the Bogner Atma has been the most impressive mini amp I've tried, but it obviously isn't suited for modern metal or tightness, but I remember it sounding very big, ballsy, and loud for a mini amp

That's my experience with the Mark V:25 in Xtreme mode. That mode has LESS gain than the Mark IV mode, but sounds bigger and more open. Very big sounding for such a small amp. But otherwise I'm with you; I prefer playing bigger glass/iron amps, even at home.

I actually don't think I gave the extreme mode of the Mark V:25 a chance, but I've owned a regular Mark V for 5 years, so I'm very familiar with the Extreme mode, so I'm sure it would be bigger and more open than the other 2 modes, but also smoother and less growly, which is why I didn't use it as often when I owned a Mark V, but yeah I remember the Mark V:25 being one of the more impressive mini amps out there. I remember not being impressed with the mini Rectifier though.

Also, fwiw, the tightest amp I've tried so far has been my Cameron CCV by a pretty good margin, and I've owned in the past a DAR FBM, Engl Invader 150 (2nd tightest amp), other Engls, Fryette Pittbull UL, Peters FSM, Peters Chimera, KSR Gemini, Baron DHG, Randall Thrasher and have tried extensively other amps known for being tight like the Diezel Herbert, Ampeg VH, and countless others.

 

[Speeddemon]

I remember not being impressed with the mini Rectifier though.

Same here! I tested the Mini Rec on the same day as the Engl Ironball. Bought the latter on the spot. The Mini Rec was not tight at all.