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Here I came for a good discussion about the 6505MH. Man was I not disappointed lol. This post took a major left turn!
Yeah, naysayers always come along and say stupid things. Then their little girlfriends jump in with them and make otherwise good threads go to shit.
Are you upset that others don't agree with your opinion? The thread didn't "go to shit" until you blew a gasket telling others that they were wrong. I voiced my opinion. Is it any less valid than yours?
No, that's not what happened. You're illiterate if you think so. The guy exaggerated beyond anything reasonable and I called him out on it. It's not a difference of opinion. It's a matter of what's bullshit or what's not.
Not exaggerated, If you are used to the big brother, the WEE little one will feel different.
Also you don't know the configuration Said user is used too. A self biasing EL84 WILL SOUND AND FEEL different than Cold biased 6L6's, or any of the Eurotube mixes i've seen over the years
all that being said, I wouldn't gig on it unless I had a serious power amp to slave out too. and if you are going to lug all that might as well lug the real deal.
I'll give you a hint to why he likely prefers the mk.v:25, Mesa kinda has what... 35 years of experience with this wattage range with this Type of amps. It tried and true and FAMILIAR. unless you've run a 5150 with yellow jackets exclusively the 6505MH won't be that familiar.
I am not saying, any better or any worse, as THAT IS ALL PERSONAL PREFERENCE. I am just saying a real difference exists and there are those who will notices and not like it. just as many that will or won't notice and won't care... they like what they got
Once again for the illiterates, I never said it sounds exacty like the bigger amp. IN FACT, I said that lunchbox amps usually make me want to just get the full-sized version. The real source of the arguments was that some dude came along saying the low end was all "loose and flubby," and that his MarkV25 shits all over it, blah blah. I posted a few videos that show it clearly isn't. I've also read several reviews and haven't seen a previous reviewer say the anything like that. Moreover, I own one and don't think it's "loose and flubby," and have owned a Mark V25 + Mini Rect before. Therefore, I called him on on his exaggeration, and his little buddies came to his rescue, running with the argument they don't sound anything like the bigger versions, etc...
Obviously EL84s aren't going to have the headroom, thump, or range of bigger bottle tubes. However, as I mentioned, it's extremely good for an EL84 amp (considering the price). I don't know what the fuck is wrong with some dudes making fucking arguments then ridiculing me when I never made that stupid argument to begin with.
only mud i see being thrown around is from your end.. Sorry..
I don't know what you are trying to insinuate, But I don't know rbasaria, for all intents and purposes this is the first thread i've noticed his opinion on. I just happen to agree with it pretty much verbatim.
if you found a Mk.V flubby and loose, you clearly didn't have any idea that it is a radically different tone structure. you cannot set it like a traditional amp and get a traditional High gain response, its a bloody modernized VINTAGE style high gain amp.
My disappointment with the mini rec and the 6505mh are on par with each other. both would have been better off with a single big tube in class A like a KT88 or a 6550. that way it would translate better to the lower wattage. in this situation the MH wins out as the "better" choice simple due its reasonable price vs the mini rec.
the MK.V:25 on the other hand is more closely related to their bigger brother omitting the full power configuration of the power amp and the "bum " channel most didn't care for absent. Couple hundred bux more expensive than it should be, but again in this case you are getting what you paid for. in the case of mesa, i don't mind the extra cash on top for the top notch customer service that extends VASTLY beyond warranty.
like i said, not better or worse, you are getting what you paid for.
Would suggest, slowing down and reading between the lines. But hey, if you want to continue making snap judgement, by all means continue.
there is a reasons the their 50/50 in the first incarnation didn't fly so well. and why subsequent releases of it were 6l6(or was it 5881?) based, EL84s have a sound not everyone likes. there is something to the inherent nature of a tubes sound you cannot get away from, Tight and big is not something I've ever heard an EL84 being referred to as. original 5150's weren't exactly that tight to begin with either. they were tighter than the old rectifiers with big stock rectifier tubes, but that is about it. both you had the boost the snot out of it with the gain lower to get the best out of them. ya you could argue heartwork was pretty tight and brutal, But one could also say they needed a boost and 31 band eq in the loop to get there...
If you are happy with your amp, Great i'm glad. just don't expect everyone to agree with you.
Peace
