How come nobody talks about the JVM series?

wtfMagH8U

wtfMagH8U

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I mean I haven’t been on forums in a minute but these amps aren’t ever even brought up?
WTH has Marshall been up to amp wise other than RI the jubilee? I owned a couple of jvm410 and a 210. Imo the 210 was a better amp. My only hate was the wobbling knobs
 
If you do a search...You will see that the JVM has been discussed a few times recently around here. the members are pretty divided over how they feel about that series.
 
I agree I prefer the 210 over the 410. They aren’t designed the same - 210 follows a more traditionally hot rodded schematic. 410 puts the tonestack in an odd place for a few channels.

They both need a bit of help to get going. Upgraded iron, choke, a good bias, and select position preamp tubes. Typical 5150 improvements.

Even then they have a particular voicing that is either you love it or hate it. At the end of the day I’m just not that much of a fan. There’s better options out now IMO.
 
I'm more positive on the JVM than most here.

Does it stack up to a vintage 2203 or 1959? Gods no. But it does sound good.

I do think it sounds way better than the new DSL series, too though.

I've never had one under a mic, though, so I'm not as well versed as I could be. I guess for what they cost there are just better options. For a couple grand (new) you can literally find a beat up 2203 if you look hard enough, so I suppose the benefits just don't outstrip the opportunity costs.

Not to mention if something goes wrong, you are absolutely shit out of luck - just like with any super complex PCB amp. With that being the case, it narrows down the prospective JVM fan to mostly younger or newer players, it seems, that don't have as much experience with amps.

If I got a great deal on one, I would certainly try it out though. I think they sound good from what I can tell. Just not 2 grand new good. Especially when there are so many great amps on the market in that price range.

For gods sake theres a bogner helios 50 for 2 grand in the classifieds right now.

The prices are coming down on them used, and if they keep coming down, I may try one just to try it. Mic it up and see what's what.
 
All the rage back in the day:

SteveVHT

Thread 'Fuckaroo Bonzai...The JVM KILLS.....................'

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All I can say is that I am thoroughly impressed with the JVM.
Ralph and I beat up the JVM for a few hours tonight...
This amp is a true to heart, Swiss Army Knife of tones.
It does everything it should and more. The cleans are amazing. The low and mid gains are amazing, and the high gain is simply sick....
Super tight in every aspect, but still breaths and fills the room with thickness.
We tried the head through a few cabinets..
CAA/Suhr with MC90's, Fuchs with Eminence Patriots, Marshall w/ 75's and the VHT FB.
And shockingly, the VHT absolutely devastated the other...
 
RaceU4her said:
the JVM was supposedly gonna put small builders and modders out of business upon first reviews.
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Even for the price when it came out, that's hilarious

It's odd how there's never anyone posting clips of them here

It's always random youtuber bullshit - which, yeah, you can sorta kinda get an idea of how it sounds, but it's not anywhere near as informative as when it's a forumite.

It's interesting how even for a recording novice, something high end always ends up shining when clips are proffered
 
The JVM amps sound great and I had one back in the day. They sound more "polished" and not as raw as older Marshalls. Great amps though.
 
I recently picked up a 210H. I essentially grabbed it with the intent to sell to a buddy who needs/wants a cheaper 100w head.

It has actually surprised me. Good clean and jcm 800 (ish) crunch on the first channel that takes a boost well. Kinda like how a DSL is. Its second channel is a cut above the DSL though, IMO, with a very serviceable "hot" jcm 800 (ish) green mode and tight, aggressive orange and red modes. The resonance control is also way better than the deep switch on the DSL.

Do I love everything about it? No. Would I take one over a Helios, Ecstasy or a Wizard? Hell no. But the 210's have dropped to a similar price range as the DSL's, and that makes them a decent value.
 
Anyone remember when the JVM came out and everyone on HC was saying how it destroyed JMPs and JCM800's and people were scrambing to pre-order?
 
japetus said:
Anyone remember when the JVM came out and everyone on HC was saying how it destroyed JMPs and JCM800's and people were scrambing to pre-order?
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that was here, i think they did a group order of like 20 or something.
 
One time, I had the Cameron in my avatar that I got direct from Mark, and JB called me up offered me what was then stupid money for it... I had just played a JVM and was offered a ridiculous cheap price on a new one so I figured I couldn't lose, sold JB my Cameron, bought the JVM with money left to burn. Eventually hated the JVM and sold. That was a bad fucking move hahahahah
 
I almost bought a 410h when they came out......you know the early ones that had the floating pot shafts through the faceplate......Glad I doged that bullet.
 
I liked some things about the JVM’s voicing, but overall it sounded way too synthetic for me, like I was hearing in person a recording of a good Marshall with higher gain modes of that available. Most of the Engl’s sound to me synthetic and recorded in the same kind of way, somewhat distant
 
DanTravis62 said:
I'm more positive on the JVM than most here.

Does it stack up to a vintage 2203 or 1959? Gods no. But it does sound good.

I do think it sounds way better than the new DSL series, too though.

I've never had one under a mic, though, so I'm not as well versed as I could be. I guess for what they cost there are just better options. For a couple grand (new) you can literally find a beat up 2203 if you look hard enough, so I suppose the benefits just don't outstrip the opportunity costs.

Not to mention if something goes wrong, you are absolutely shit out of luck - just like with any super complex PCB amp. With that being the case, it narrows down the prospective JVM fan to mostly younger or newer players, it seems, that don't have as much experience with amps.

If I got a great deal on one, I would certainly try it out though. I think they sound good from what I can tell. Just not 2 grand new good. Especially when there are so many great amps on the market in that price range.

For gods sake theres a bogner helios 50 for 2 grand in the classifieds right now.

The prices are coming down on them used, and if they keep coming down, I may try one just to try it. Mic it up and see what's what.
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I agree with everything you said here, but it’s basically a thorough pros and cons explanation of why it’s not worth getting a jvm lol
 
glpg80 said:
I agree I prefer the 210 over the 410. They aren’t designed the same - 210 follows a more traditionally hot rodded schematic. 410 puts the tonestack in an odd place for a few channels.

They both need a bit of help to get going. Upgraded iron, choke, a good bias, and select position preamp tubes. Typical 5150 improvements.

Even then they have a particular voicing that is either you love it or hate it. At the end of the day I’m just not that much of a fan. There’s better options out now IMO.
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Typical 5150 improvements? Nothing about those mods improves a 5150, unless you are trying to make it a soft, midrangey , smoothed out turd. They are biased perfect and they sure as hell don’t need a choke or some bullshit like that.


On that note, I absolutely love the JVM, always have. If you take it for what it is, a modern high gain Marshall, it’s great. Great tones can be had with them fairly easily, I never got the hate for them at all honestly.
 
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