How does the Diezel 4x12" kabs loaded with V30 sound....

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...with other amps?

I am not too happy with the sound in my Herbert anymore, so i'm thinking about getting another or a few other amps instead.
My alternatives atm are Peavey 5150/5150 II/6505/6505+, Marshall JCM800, Marshall Sliver Jubilee/Slash sig, Marshall Vintage Modern.

Anyone tried a combo of any of these with the Diezel kabs? I haven't gotten the opportunity to try this myself yet, because of the lack of my preferred amps to borrow. Any idea would be fine.

Thanks!
 
What arent u liking about your Herbert?? Maybe its something that a simple tube change can remedy. What tubes are u running? What are you looking to accomplish. My Herbert is kind of a Swiss Army Knife...it can do so much...and with suttle changes, it may do what you need it to. :thumbsup:
 
I haven't owned my Herbert for long, but changing it for a Peavey 5150??? Of your alteratives I've owned both the 5150 and the JCM800, and I can't even begin to describe how much better the Herbert is! Mabe there's a failure on one or more of the tubes? I would've tried to change the tubes before I did something drastic... Like selling my Herbert ;)
 
Hi.
Im currently running 4xEL34 and 2x6L6 in the poweramp. 12ax7 i believe in the preamp.
What kinda tubemanufacturers escapes me atm. High end tubes it is, was very expensive.

I have had the Herbert for 3 years now, and just cant seem to be 100% happy with the sound i get from it anymore.
It's too brutal i guess, i can't seem to get the dry distortion I want out of it. Like older heavy/thrash sounds and stuff (Annihilator/Anthrax and so on). It roars like hell, but the sound ain't what i'm looking for. It's kinda noisy compared to what i want.
If i set the sound as dry as I want it, i havent got enough distortion, and if i go for more distortion the sound is a little muddy fr my taste.

I also play a lot of rock n roll, and its just not the right kinda amp for me i guess. I played more brutal metal before, and it suited that much better, but now my soundpreferences for that have changed too really. I find myself sitting on a very expensive amp that i'm not too happy with atm, and i'm seriously thinking about other alternatives. Not that the Herbert isn't any good, because it's a fantastic amp, but like i say, my preferences of guitarsound have changed over the years, and i'm just never happy enough with my sound anymore.

Besides I have noticed something weird with the Herbert, well, thats a long time ago but...
I like the amp much better when it's cold. If i rehearse for some hours the sound changes to the worse when the tubes are hot.
The perfect sound of the cold amp imo, is impossible to get when the amp is warm, because it "rumbles" a lot more when warm.
Sorry, might be hard to understand some of this, but im Norwegian, so i'm not familiar with the english terms for all soundexpressions i want to explain.


HumdinGer:
I had the amp in for a full service about a year ago, because i wasn't happy with it then, like now(been kind of little playing since then, so thats why i'm back at it) Then I also changed all the tubes, but nah... I kinda feel it's not the right amp for me anymore... but i am still trying to figure it all out. Besides i think the amp sounds a lot better alone, than in a bandsetting... to much power maybe...
 
When rehearsing youle here different things after a while when exposed to a surtan volume, most people have that. Face it, you just got tired off the amp and wnat something else now. The amps you listed arent that expansive, you can save up for one off them or atleast try them out somewhere. I have the Engl Se and the Herbert. There are days where im in to the SE and days that im in to the Herb. I understand now, there is no perfect amp :doh: just enjoy what youve got allready :rock:

Ive got a guitar equiped with bareknuckle warpigs. The Herbert doesnt match up well with those but the SE on the otherhand does it verry good. There are alot off factors to consider before changing the amp. The smalest things can change alot. I also quit using ernieball strings with the Herbert. They have way to much treble for the amp, so i switched to GHS for now. The UV777 i have souds good through both amps, it still has the stock pickups and i like them alot. I also have a gibson explorer with dual emg 81's, sometimes i like these with both amps and sometimes i dont.

Try pickups with alot off mids for the Herbert. That should make alot off difference.

Take care :thumbsup:



BTW: im using the amp with a Engl 2X12 with V30 speakers.
 
You need a VH4. I was looking seriously into the Herbert originally, and was able to a/b the VH4 & Herbert for hours through Diezel 4x12 rear loaded v30 cabs. The VH4 is better suited for the tone your are seeking without seriously downgrading to a Marshall or Peavey.
 
Alright! Bringing this up again...
Have decided to part ways with my Herbert really.
So now i'm looking into other amps than can match it for me. So I would love some more suggestions from you guys.

The amps im seriously considering atm are:
VHT/Fryette Sig X
Mesa Boogie Mark V
Diezel VH-4


all these amps seems very good, but I still havent decided, or sold my Herbert, so im open to suggestions yet.
I also consider some Marshalls... JCM800 can sound pretty great.. same with the Vintage Modern.
 
Slashaxl":2l5conjf said:
If i set the sound as dry as I want it, i havent got enough distortion, and if i go for more distortion the sound is a little muddy fr my taste.
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This sounds like you need the VH4. I also played the VH4 and Herbert A-B and the VH4 is much more dry. The Herbert seems to "colour" the tone and it sound a little bit more "juicy" in the lead. The VH4 is (to my ears) more accurate and direct. And you have 4 Channels and EVERY channel is VERY nice! :yes:
But it always depends on your own taste. You have to try one and find out :thumbsup:
Best Regards and Roggenrool
Hartmut
 
Hartmut":1wgoc8rh said:
Slashaxl":1wgoc8rh said:
If i set the sound as dry as I want it, i havent got enough distortion, and if i go for more distortion the sound is a little muddy fr my taste.
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This sounds like you need the VH4. I also played the VH4 and Herbert A-B and the VH4 is much more dry. The Herbert seems to "colour" the tone and it sound a little bit more "juicy" in the lead. The VH4 is (to my ears) more accurate and direct. And you have 4 Channels and EVERY channel is VERY nice! :yes:
But it always depends on your own taste. You have to try one and find out :thumbsup:
Best Regards and Roggenrool
Hartmut
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Hi, thanks for the answer.
I'm guessing a lot of people will recommend me the VH-4 in these forums :D
Problem is that it is not that easy to go and try either one of these amps, as local stores doesnt have them in stock, and not a lot of people own them.
Im going to try out the Sig X on monday, so that should be interesting.
VH-4 and Mesa Mk V is gonna be buy before i try i guess. Si kinda hoping the SIg X is the shit, heard a lot of good stuff about it. But like i said, im open to suggestions, and hopefully i'll land on the right decicion in the end:)
 
An Einstein may do you very well also. After experiencing the Herbert power section I can not imagine you liking the other amps mentioned. Tone is subjective though and we all have that sound in our head. Good luck with your search. :thumbsup:
 
Yo Dawg...

Sound and tone are so subjective, so it's really hard to say any amp is better than the other. You've got some impressive options lined up as far as new amps are concerned... However, and NOT because this is a Diezel forum, the deal is, there are very few (if any) amps that can come close to the quality and bomb-proof build of a Diezel. If you're tiring of your Herbie, definitely 100%-of-the-way, check out the VH4 and 4S (for future stereo panning options). I was originally looking at a Herbie, but went with the VH4S and VH4 due to its flexibility in sounds and its impeccable degree of awesome tone.

Marshall's don't even come close - nor do many other amps that I have in my possession or experience (Peavey, HiWatt, Soldano, Bogner, Cornford, Fuchs, etc). Bold statement, but the fact is I run a lot of equipment... And although it's COMPLETELY subjective, I'd say the amp that ALWAYS has people asking "Holy...WTF?!?!?!" is the VH4 and VH4S. Bedroom levels, they're okay. Real good actually. But get 'em breathing beyond noon on the V and MV and my god man, sonic bliss.

Just my 2 cents.

V. :rawk:
 
All of the amps in question i have owned (except for the Vintage Modern Marshall which i think is an overpriced piece of junk) I got rid of all of these for my Herbert. I know u arent liking the Herbert...but for the tastes you are referring to, the VH4 or the Einstein would seriously do that. Not trying to sell Diezel products here...they sell on their own. I have a VH4 & channel 2 is a rocking channel...when u back off the gain, its rock. Plain & simple. Its a versatile amp. it can do just about anything. I have tried to discredit it...just cuz i was bored. No luck. Its a great amp. and worth every nickel. Talk to Terry @ Diezel USA. He is ovrly knowledgable with these things...and will explain anything. And wont try to push a sale. He is very dedicated to people getting what they want. So you should give him a buzz or PM him. I would bet you could sell your Herbert & pickup a used VH4 without losing a dime. It would prob be the best route to go. Again, just my $.02. Good luck in your search. :thumbsup:
 
Thanks for the replies guys.
Yh, i know sound is a very subjective thing, but allways ok to ask. Cause here in my city, its not possible to get to try everything. Probably not in my country either in stores. Almost no store carry Diezel, and not many VHT or Mesa either.
If i get a buyer for my Herbert pretty quick, i know a VH-4 for sale, for the same price i'm asking for my Herbert, so i might try to go there. But i think it's an older VH-4, isnt the new ones supposed to sound better?
And i'm also falling in love with clips of the Mark V, so i seriously considering that, and believe it will work great with my Diezel cabs.
But we will see, how fast i can sell my Herbert, and also if i like the Sig X, trying that with my own cabs next week. Looking forward to getting a new amp. Can't see that i will ever be completely happy with the Herbert, seeing i've had it for 3,5 years now, so time to move on, even though it's a great amp for what it does:)
 
In my personal experience owning the amp for the past month, I'd really associate the amp with unreal amounts of saturation (at least on Ch 3) anyways. It sounds like if you're into thrashier sounds, VH4 would DEFINITELY be the way to go. Marshall JVM410H ain't half bad either.

As for V30s, I personally did not care at all for the Herbert with them. I couldn't gel with the upper mids/highs at all. Swapped to 4xG12K-100 in my Mills and its been :rock: ever since.
 
Hey Slash, I feel for you in your search for "THE" tone. I guess we are all doing that in one way or another :) I recently acquired both a Herbert and a Mark V. I have been a Mark IV guy for a LONG time before this and I bought the Mark V, based on the fact that I have LOVED my Mark IV's. Now, that said, I also have a Splawn QuickRod head. I sold my old modded Marshall to get that a while ago and I love that too. So, I can only offer you what I know, I don't have any experience with newer Marshall's, Bogner, VHT (other than the 2150 and 2/90/2 power amps I own, and the 2/50/2 I used for a long time). I am surely interested in a VH4, yet it is one I just can't get to, right now.

So, I love each of these amps for different reasons. My question to you is how much do you need ONE amp to do. Obviously, the VH4 is the only 4 channel amp you are considering, right? That is a HUGE versatility piece right there. Herbert and Mark V are 3 channel amps, and the Splawn is 2 channel (like a more traditional Marshall). The thing about the Splawn that moves past Marshall, is its mode switch for the gain channel. You get 3 modes to choose from and therefore much more versatility. You can easily nail tones from vintage rock, a la early Van Halen, to heavier rock and metal. The Mark V has some great improvements, including 3 modes on EACH channel. Again, you have versatility and choices. I am enjoying the Mark V a lot and have put the Mark IV's in the closet for a little while. Not selling, just in the closet ;)

Now, Herbert is just WOW!!! I can get sounds from this amp that I just can't get from the others. Totally amazing!!! That said, as I mentioned, I haven't sold anything else yet either. I am more interested in finding ways to combine sounds and get these amps to work together. Each shines in its own way and I am planning on experimenting with how 2 or maybe even 3 heads can fill in any holes left by the others. I wish I could tell you more about the VH4, however, I just don't have one...YET!!! It is only a mater of time before I am forced to submit to a VH4 as well :lol: :LOL: Anyway, you seem to have some supporters of the VH4 on the forum anyway, so you don't need my input on that.

In the end, this can't be about others telling you what to do, rather it has to be an individual thing. You might hate my tone, and I can be OK with that :cry: Just kidding...but really, my point is, depending on your needs, you may need more than one amp. Obviously, that's been my solution :rock:

Best of luck!! Tell us what you decide and what you find out!

Rawk :rawk:
 
Can't believe nobody said Axe FX :lol: :LOL: :lol: :LOL: :lol: :LOL:

(where's the tubes in that damn thing?) :confused:


Dude with the Herbert woes - those amps you have chosen to replace Herbie with are a step or two down the food chain on amps, but will be totally different in tone and output. Sounds like you just want something for classic rock, hence all the Marshall stuff. I own 4 vintage Marshall's, with one being my beloved 1983 modded JCM800 and at times, it does have its place in the mix and I do bring it out. But, if you are into thrash or modern heavy, none of those amps are going to do it, unless you start tap dancing on pedals (my opinion). Also, if you are looking for that Marshall tone, don't buy a VH4 either. It isn't going to get you anywhere near there. It has its own signature tone that doesn't replicate anything, nor can it be replicated.

Good luck on the amp quest. I got a room full!

Steve
 
Well.. tried the Sig:X today.
Damn, that amp was killer. Different from the Herbert, but with an instant roar like few other amps besides these.
Right now it seems like its gonna be my choice after selling the Herbie. And at half the price:)
 
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