How Heavy can Einstein get?

[guyspa]

I'm Wondering if the Einstein can do the heavy Godsmack type of tones or would a VH-4 be a better amp for that thick riffing?, Thanks

 

[joshsage]

You would be very well surprised at how nasty the einstein can get!
Josh

 

[RedB4Black]

I'm Wondering if the Einstein can do the heavy Godsmack type of tones or would a VH-4 be a better amp for that thick riffing?, Thanks

It can. Even more so when you add a boost. It's not as tight as the VH4 or Herbert though.

 

[guyspa]

Thanks for helping out,I'm assuming your talking about a tube screamer or fat boost,the only problem I see is an increase in noise something you don't need with the VH-4,however I'm leaning towards a combo,which is why I asked about the Einstein,any chance Diezel will be making a combo with the tones I need without a boost?

 

[joshsage]

Thanks for helping out,I'm assuming your talking about a tube screamer or fat boost,the only problem I see is an increase in noise something you don't need with the VH-4,however I'm leaning towards a combo,which is why I asked about the Einstein,any chance Diezel will be making a combo with the tones I need without a boost?

I never needed a boost for such tones with the einstein, and they do make the einstein combo.
Thanks,
Josh

 

[van hellion]

i have einsein and herbert, einstein gets plenty heavey!!! its got more usable gain than a splawn or recto or mark iv whatever. i try to get the same type of lead sound out of both amps, and get scary close. the einey gets ferocious!!! anything with gain over 1 oclock on ch 2 and its too much. plenty of bottom end on tap too! i think you will be pleased!

 

[FriedChickenBandit]

I'm Wondering if the Einstein can do the heavy Godsmack type of tones or would a VH-4 be a better amp for that thick riffing?, Thanks

Do you know how Godsmack gets those tones? I didn't think so or you wouldn't be asking. Any tone you've ever heard or will ever hear out of an amp and guitar can be duplicated with ANY tube amp. You give me a Bassman amp and I'll give you whichever tone you want. All it takes is first KNOWING what you want and then using the pedals, effects that will give you that and lastly but MOST importantly and here's the one NO ONE wants to hear..you also need to know how to play to get the tones you want. It's a truth that no one wants to face or hear but tone is possibly 90% on the players hands/fingers.

There's no such thing as "this amp will give you this or that tone" because they all will and because of the fact that hardly if any of the tones you've heard or like/d have been accomplish with just guitar into amp. Take the most tiresome and annoying, replayed question in rock tone or amps.."how can I get the brown sound" well shouldn't that be answered by only ONE person? The man that made it famous?

The fatc is that 99 times out of 100 anyone asking these type of questions have well under 10-15 yrs of playing experience and that's why they're asking it. Relax, practice, be patient, practice and all the tones you ever imagined will be gotten if you wish with tons of practice and experience. I always tell my students get a Marshall DSL and you have all you'll ever need just add EQ and various stomp boxes.

Now that the above is out of the way which is what no one wants to hear but that's the thing with honesty and truth isn't it? As far as the Einstein goes, to me it's one of the best amps I've played and I own and have owned many. If you can play you'll get whatever you need out of it but again I can get any tone I want out of a Bassman or a Fender Blues Deville. The Einstein gives me the tone I want straight into the amp with no effects and for me it was affordable. It is a waste of money and inexperience to buy anything over $1000-1500 if you have those questions in mind (how do I get such and such tone?) because you have a LONG, LONG road ahead of you and headed for alot of disappointment if you think x amp will give you x band's tone. If you're not getting X band's tone NOW then guess what? Stop reading forums and go practice, the tones, techniques and everything else will then come trust me.

 

[guyspa]

Wow,That was more than I asked for,I understand a box in front of a bassman could the get tones I speak of, but I want a Diezel and do not want to have to use a box in front of the amp,that was one of my criteria, thanks to everyone for the help,these amps are so hard to find to test out for yourself...

 

[FriedChickenBandit]

Wow,That was more than I asked for,I understand a box in front of a bassman could the get tones I speak of, but I want a Diezel and do not want to have to use a box in front of the amp,that was one of my criteria, thanks to everyone for the help,these amps are so hard to find to test out for yourself...

Well then you can't go wrong with the Einstein. You really can't, I a/b my friend's Cornford MK and his Uberschall and the Einstein was the one we both agreed was the better amp. Don't get me wrong the Cornford is an incredible amp but the Einstein is that great.

I was just letting you know that you don't need to spend all that money to get the tone you want since that was what you asked. It took my friend 11 years to finally believe me and he has owned just about everything. Only one amp that's very difficult to mimick and that's a Train Wreck but not many have played one anyways. The rest are all about using stomp boxes etc.

Let me ask why don't you want to use a box in front of it? You really have no choice, you will eventually.

 

[hairychris444]

The Einstein does heavy properly. Mode 3 is pretty tight (it'll do fast trem picking, pm-ing & all other stuff like this with ease) and the lead channel sounds good if you want a bit more saturation & things a bit looser.

By 'loose' it's all comparative. It's still WAY tighter then a Mesa Rectifier.

Adding a tubescreamer gives you instant Dimebag-style mayhem. Which is fun.

 

[nbarts]

Well then you can't go wrong with the Einstein. You really can't, I a/b my friend's Cornford MK and his Uberschall and the Einstein was the one we both agreed was the better amp. Don't get me wrong the Cornford is an incredible amp but the Einstein is that great.

Uberschall & Einstein are like apples and oranges. How can be one better than the other when they do 2 completely different things. Besides, I don't mean to start an argument, but I'd be hard pressed to believe that you can get a bassman sound like Diezel or Bogner tonewise. No amp I've heard does what Uber does, get all the pedals you want. There is a good part of truth in your post though, I do agree that fingas are a big part of the tone as well as the guitar you run into that amp.

 

[kunfi]

For very heavy tones with Einstein :

1 - Change the V1 tube (I like the 12AX7EH)
2 - Use a clean boost like MXR microamp.
3 - If it's not enough, put an EQ on the Fx loop

(I prefer Channel 1 mode 3 than channel 2)

Terrific !!!

 

[FriedChickenBandit]

Well then you can't go wrong with the Einstein. You really can't, I a/b my friend's Cornford MK and his Uberschall and the Einstein was the one we both agreed was the better amp. Don't get me wrong the Cornford is an incredible amp but the Einstein is that great.

Uberschall & Einstein are like apples and oranges. How can be one better than the other when they do 2 completely different things. Besides, I don't mean to start an argument, but I'd be hard pressed to believe that you can get a bassman sound like Diezel or Bogner tonewise. No amp I've heard does what Uber does, get all the pedals you want. There is a good part of truth in your post though, I do agree that fingas are a big part of the tone as well as the guitar you run into that amp.

The Uberschall is a Metal amp the Einstein is Rock and Metal and anything else so why not compare. Amps are amps bro, no need to make things complicated when they're not.

No you're not going to make a Bassman sound like a Diezel but my point is this, get x guitar player, have him play a Diezel in a band setup. Get a good musician/guitarist and have him play thru a Bassman (specially a modded one like the one I have ) and have him play the exact tune x guitarist played. Add an eq, a ts or any distortion stomp box of your choice and tell me there's one clown that will stand up and say.."HEY MAN..THAT'S NOT A DIEZEL WTFFFF?" it's not happening and you missed my point by 100 miles. You can get very close to any tone you hear and at times you could get the same tone. Like I said anyone with plenty of years playing experience and I mean "playing" not a 20+ year player that picks his guitar up every other day, can get any tone he wants out of just about any amp. You should check out the great ones sometimes at NAMM and you'll see what I mean.

A good friend of mine Cesar Huesca (check him out on you tube) plays thru alot of crap amps and no one will ever tell him, "damn, that was an exellent cover of The Extremist..buuuuut that amp you're playing has to go". Tone is in the hands and fingers not x brand of amp. It sure feels great to play a Diezel though, that I won't argue.

 

[nbarts]

The Uberschall is a Metal amp the Einstein is Rock and Metal and anything else so why not compare. Amps are amps bro, no need to make things complicated when they're not.

Girls are girls too bro, but I guess it doesn't matter for you.

Peace.