DanTravis62
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I'd probably go with one of the scumback Blackback style options for what youre describing.
I am fuller than a G12T-75 and less mid nasally than a V30. What speaker am I?
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TheGreatGreen
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A Redback is the first thing that came to my mind for something right between a V30 and G12T-75.
Speeddemon
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I have this exact combo in my Mesa 2x12 vertical cab (G12-65 Heritage on top). Sounds massive.
anomaly
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You probably wont believe this, but those speakers I had that got moisture, well some of them got this harsh trebly characteristic to them and the mids kinda sounded hollow. Very unlike any V30 I've ever heard, sounded bad to me... Some of them sound OK still, but they're bright. Those ones didn't get the worst of it. I'm serious when I say someone sabotaged my Cabs, and i'm in the process of getting one reloaded with speakers really soon. Maybe i'll buy myself a decent camera and take some close up pics of these speakers some day just to shut you dumbasses up. They've got obvious water markings on them and rippling on the backside of the cone... IDK if that rippling characteristic is normal or not??A V30 soaked with a water hose.
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anomaly
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The UK speakers have the exact same specs as the chinese ones, some UK ones sound better, some chinese ones sound better, it's just luck of the draw.
What he may want to do is buy 16 ohm V30's instead of 8 ohm V30's, as they're slightly more scooped.
harddriver
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According to Mesa they are custom made for Mesa whatever that is and to my ears there sounds like there is a difference. It may be luck of the draw but I actually like the Mesa V30's more than other V30's I have had over the years. It used to say made to Mesa Boogie specifications now it just says custom made.
https://store.mesaboogie.com/products/speaker-12-celestion-vintage-30-uk-made.html
12" Celestion Vintage 30 - Choose 8 or 16 ohm
Celestion Vintage 30 (custom made for MESA in Ipswich, England) – used in our closed back Rectifier® cabinets and some of our combos like the Express 5:25+™ and Roadster® 2x12 Combo. This 60 Watt speaker was originally developed to handle the demands of modern amps that were designed to be more powerful and offer more gain. The Vintage 30 speaker provides tight bass response, thick mids and a rich, smooth upper end full of complex overtones that most players (especially high gain fans) find pleasing. Despite its full mid-range response, this speaker is often the choice of players looking for a bit of mid scoop, as its low and high frequency response can be accentuated when in an enclosure. The Vintage 30 is well suited for sparkling clean tones massive high gain and anything in between.
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braintheory
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Like a few others said, the majority of other celestion models can fit the description of falling in between a recent made T75 and V30. We need more to go off than just that. All the speakers mentioned technically satisfy your criteria, but you may not like them for other reasons. The more you help us with that, the more we can help you find what you seek
Shask
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This question came from that I have a slanted 412 with V30/G12T75 in X pattern, and in another room I have a 212 with V30s and another 212 with G12T75s that I typically run in stereo. I want to upgrade and get some straight 412 cabs instead.
I have been playing the cabs separately the last few days instead of together, and I am noticing how using the speakers together kind of gives me a wall of sound, where using each individually seems to be more punchy and clear. I am not sure if I want to mix anymore, or just try something completely new.
The G12T75 alone sounds good. I like how it is tight and gives me that late 80s/early 90s thrash tone. However, it is not as thick sounding, and the fizzy highs can be too much. Presence has to stay at 0. I like the V30s alone, but I always have to keep the mids at 0 on the amp to balance with all the mids that speaker kicks out. Its like somewhere in the middle would be great. I like big chunky/punchy lows, and then enough upper mids to have good pick attack. I like less lower mids, and I only like enough presence to have some clarity, but no fizz, so overall, darker. Chunk n Crunch.
The G12K-100 looks interesting, but I hate how they really only come in 8 ohm. I pretty much only buy 16 ohm speakers. The Redback and Creambacks look interesting also. I am also curious about the Eminence DV-77, and a Swamp Thang / Governor mix.
I have also considered just buying a cab, like the EVH 412 cab for example, because the EVH speakers seem to sit in this zone also. I am also looking at the suggestions in this thread.
braintheory
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Hm my G12K-100's are all 16 Ohms. You might like them. They have more headroom and chunky lows than most other Celestion's, but some find them a bit neutral or boring. I love Redbacks, but low mids is their forte imo. Very strong low mids with lots of great chewy character there, but they can get flubby if pushed hard with other low mid heavy amps like Recto's, Uber's or Diezel's. I don't know about going for the EVH cab. I also really love 20w GB's (EVH speakers I heard are supposed to be the same), but their low end is quite lean, but they're tight, fast, with imo the best uppermid grind I've heard in a speaker (it's main forte)
I agree also about usually preferring whole quads to mixing speakers in cabs. More coherent sound that often is more clear, balanced and punchy like you said. A lot mixes can sound to me a bit clashy or messy, but some can be amazing. Just trial and error, but more error IME with it lol. The old Altec 417's are some of my all time favorites, although their high's are much more intense or sharp than any Celestion as they're more full frequency like the JBL's and Crescendo's (also some of my all time favorites)
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Scumback Speakers
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My recommendation form is down right now, host did something and it doesn't work until they fix it. But if you can answer these questions and send that to: sales@scumbackspeakers.com I can recommend a speaker for you.
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Which guitar & pickups used,
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for chords and solos?
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for chords and solos?
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Amp type/tubes used
power rating (before edge of breakup),
usually around 4-5 on your volume control?
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usually around 4-5 on your volume control?
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Where do you set your amp's volume
when you play at home, or on stage?
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Fx used?
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you're trying to get close to?
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is it straight or angled,
open or closed back type?
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open or closed back type?
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What speakers are you using now
and what do you think needs improvement?
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The Celestion Vintage 30 MF, aka Hellatone 60L sold by Avatar, is my fav spike-less V30. 16 ohms; Celestion code on the little white sticker T5321.
They were only available OEM in the 280w Marshall Mode Four 4x12s or when Avatar had some. To my ears it has more low mids and way less upper-mids spike.
They were only available OEM in the 280w Marshall Mode Four 4x12s or when Avatar had some. To my ears it has more low mids and way less upper-mids spike.