I changed my opinion about the Herbert!

[Bato]

I was always thinking, that Herbert is a dark sounding amp.

Two weeks ago I joined a band. In the last years i did not have the time because of our house, work etc.
I only jammed a few times with some fellas.

But now everything is fine!

Dark? No way man! I have to fight against a Rectifier and a Roadster(stereo setup). Herbert has too much treble!
Crazy!
But i´ve got a little problem with my low-end. Some guys told me that it could be a microphonic tube.
Peter i wrote you an email. Did you check it? I need your advice.

P.S. Treble and presence are at 11! And i still cut through the mix even with midcut! Unbelievable!

 

[nbarts]

OK, I really hate having this argument, but, for the last time, midcut on Herbert does NOT take away any highs or mids. Turning it on has actually the opposite effect, you will hear more mids & highs.

2nd - Herbert is a full & rich sounding amp across the whole specter. In a band situation it is capable of burying other band members due to its power. So it's the power you are hearing & not brightness.

3rd - if you are having troubles with low end definitely check your tubes.

 

[Peter Diezel]

Don´t got email

 

[proxmax]

have any idea yet what happened?

 

[James Lugo]

midcut on Herbert does NOT take away any highs or mids. Turning it on has actually the opposite effect, you will hear more mids & highs.

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Wow not my take on the Herbert at all as far as the mids.

 

[flownomis]

midcut = mid CUT

 

[nbarts]

For me mids & highs are frequencies 1K & up. What midcut DOES cut are the low mids, so having less intensity makes it sound fuller, more intensity scoops out the low mids & makes it feel brighter. If that's not what your Herbert's mudcut does, then my Herbert is different, which is possible, because I had people compliment my Herbert's sound over others. Maybe something crazy happened to my amp during production or .... maybe during transportation.

Please, explain your point, other than just disagree with me. I'm open to a debate.

 

[Bato]

2nd - Herbert is a full & rich sounding amp across the whole specter. In a band situation it is capable of burying other band members due to its power. So it's the power you are hearing & not brightness.

No way man! I hear what i hear. We put the mesas and Herb to the same level. It´s not the power, trust me.

All i wanted to say is that in every forum i can read s.th. about that Herbie is the "second" amp in a band if there are two guitars. It cant cut trough the mix as other amps, it´s way too dark, it feels loose, compressed....bullshit!
Even ch.3 sounds sooooooooooooooo bright. Have to lower the treble.

And it doesnt matter what does what. Who cares?! The result counts!

Next time i´ll check what tube is microphonic. One of them is, because whaen playing palm mutes esp. on ch3 (ch2 also) after muting you can hear "diiiing...........".
Some guys playing Herbert told me that this could be the reason that the mesas have much more low end. The mesas are loaded with marshall cabs like my amp. And i think in the past my Herbie got more bottom.

@Master P.

Soll ich dir die Email evtl. nochmal schicken? Wenn dann mach ichs morgen.
Ich muß mich jetzt schicken, denn ich bin heute den ganzen Tag auf der Optik Messe in München.

Nur nochwas: Als ich beim BTB Michael war, hat er mir für v1 eine 12ax7 LPS mitgegeben. Um ehrlich zu sein, ich hab sie nie reingesetzt. Außerdem habe ich deinen Beitrag gelesen wo du sagtest, daß man die nicht nehemn sollte, wg. irgendwelchen Strömen.

 

[diezel&gas]

2nd - Herbert is a full & rich sounding amp across the whole specter. In a band situation it is capable of burying other band members due to its power. So it's the power you are hearing & not brightness.

Next time i´ll check what tube is microphonic. One of them is, because whaen playing palm mutes esp. on ch3 (ch2 also) after muting you can hear "diiiing...........".

have you tried with another guitar? could be that diing just the noise coming from the tremolo springs ? many guitarists tends to put some kind of sponge material there in order to avoid ringing and noise.

 

[James Lugo]

For me mids & highs are frequencies 1K & up. What midcut DOES cut are the low mids, so having less intensity makes it sound fuller, more intensity scoops out the low mids & makes it feel brighter. If that's not what your Herbert's mudcut does, then my Herbert is different, which is possible, because I had people compliment my Herbert's sound over others. Maybe something crazy happened to my amp during production or .... maybe during transportation.

Please, explain your point, other than just disagree with me. I'm open to a debate.

First I doubt it would be called a mid cut if it didn't cut mids. To my ears it scoops out middle meat in a very cool, musical and useful way. As far as what a person's perception of mids I'd like to hear from Peter on that. To me mids start below 1K. On a kick the audio phrase is 'cut the mid or scoop the mid' to get definition, on my Neve we cut 275 and it's considered mids and it does the job.

I feel that mids is a reference based on how low the low goes, so with the depth of my Herbert to me the mids are below 1K.

Peace
James

 

[diezel&gas]

Hi James! So you did work with the pumpkins, didn't you!!
When exactly?
Please send my regards to Billy in case you meet him again
He's my biggest influence in music

 

[James Lugo]

Hi James! So you did work with the pumpkins, didn't you!!
When exactly?
Please send my regards to Billy in case you meet him again
He's my biggest influence in music

We've been working on the live recordings for CD and DVD this past year, big project. It's incredible looking and sounds fantastic.

 

[Bato]

2nd - Herbert is a full & rich sounding amp across the whole specter. In a band situation it is capable of burying other band members due to its power. So it's the power you are hearing & not brightness.

Next time i´ll check what tube is microphonic. One of them is, because whaen playing palm mutes esp. on ch3 (ch2 also) after muting you can hear "diiiing...........".

have you tried with another guitar? could be that diing just the noise coming from the tremolo springs ? many guitarists tends to put some kind of sponge material there in order to avoid ringing and noise.

My Paula and Tele do the same "diiiiiiiiing".

 

[diezel&gas]

mmm. ok so it isn't what i was thinking of

 

[SpicedMuffin]

hi James Iam also a huge fan of the pumpkins. So You worked on "if all goes wrong"
with them? and the only CD's i think of are the glow and superchrist singles

 

[stefvorcide]

First I doubt it would be called a mid cut if it didn't cut mids.

it's soooo true, it made me laugh soo much,

-Stef

 

[James Lugo]

First I doubt it would be called a mid cut if it didn't cut mids.

it's soooo true, it made me laugh soo much,

-Stef

Man your avatar is nuts.

 

[nbarts]

I feel that mids is a reference based on how low the low goes, so with the depth of my Herbert to me the mids are below 1K.

Fair enough.

Regardless what frequencies you & I call the mids, I still can't see how turning the midcut on could make the amp less bright or less cutting through, if you match RMS db levels of the 2 with volume knob.

 

[Rob Tahan]

I still dont know exactly what to think about the whole mid-cut thing but so far ive played 3 different herberts and ALL of them sound different. Which is kind of a good thing i guess. I really dig the feel of mine. I usually only use my mid cut for channel 2 rythyms and a few lead tones. Usually my lead tones are all without midcut on channel 3. IDK. im still experimenting. But in my amp it does seem as though it gets brighter when mid-cut is engaged.
And i think the only reason people say its a dark amp is bc it holds low end frequencies INCREDIBLY well! I have to turn all my trebles down to 9 oclock at stage volume because it gets too bright. But then again i am a fan of really warm dark tone! Im a neck pickup kinda guy My only wish is that the mids had a little more of a 800k (hornlike) tone to them. ie..eric Johnson'y kinda mids.

 

[nbarts]

A question for those of you, who think that the amp sounds bright at high volumes: do you have V30s in your cabinet? It may be the pushed speaker & not the amp that gives you that brightness that you are referring to.