aeroic
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ramblin390":2wtk1lel said:
That M75 / K100 combo is surely amazing!!! I love it
Eric
That M75 / K100 combo is surely amazing!!! I love it
Eric
3 Mile Stone
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marvcus said:My short list of speakers I want to hear are Celestion Golds and the Scumback M75s.
marvcus said:Ditto dude. I want to hear those same two myself.
I went through a phase about two years ago where I nearly eclipsed Eric's endevours. But not quite, he's still the champ.
I went through, Tone Tubby, several in the Eminence line, C. Rex, Tone Spotter, two or three Webbers, got one form Eric's reject pile recently(
chickenoolie
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I always wonder how much of speaker swapping is finding the best speaker for the tone your looking for and how much of it is just finding the best speaker for your bedroom, or garage, or basement, and at whatever volume you play most of the time.
Anybody have thoughts or experiences with speaker swapping in iso cabs - removing volume and room coloration from consideration?
I've thought of picking up two Rivera Silent Sister's and finding two different speakers for different applications (clean vs. dirty, etc.)
Then running both through mic pre's and then an SS power amp and full range monitors - without or without a backing mix - to open it up and get some air flowing.
I'm intrigued by treating the guitar speaker strictly as a tone production device rather than a sound dispersion device with sound dispersion bringing in as little coloration as possible. Sounds interesting, but like other things - there's usually a reason why people aren't doing it.
Anyway, time, trial, and error will tell I guess.
Nick
Anybody have thoughts or experiences with speaker swapping in iso cabs - removing volume and room coloration from consideration?
I've thought of picking up two Rivera Silent Sister's and finding two different speakers for different applications (clean vs. dirty, etc.)
Then running both through mic pre's and then an SS power amp and full range monitors - without or without a backing mix - to open it up and get some air flowing.
I'm intrigued by treating the guitar speaker strictly as a tone production device rather than a sound dispersion device with sound dispersion bringing in as little coloration as possible. Sounds interesting, but like other things - there's usually a reason why people aren't doing it.
Anyway, time, trial, and error will tell I guess.
Nick
aeroic
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chickenoolie":3688g8xk said:
Speaker swapping for me was just that. Finding the speaker(s) that matched the tone I wanted in my head. I wanted a certain feel, certain tone, and such. If I just had a Marshall JCM800, speaker swapping wouldn't be as big of a deal for me. But, with the Egnater stuff, I want the tone of each individual module to really sound good, and get the least amount of tonal coloration from the speaker as possible. Like a V30..for example. The V30 colors tone a lot more than other speakers IMHO. The variation from module to module wsa much less for me w/ V30s vs....CL80s....or K100s...or EVM speakers... Scumback M75s for instance..are kinda in the middle....they make most classic rock , blues, hard rock modules sound fantastic. Best speaker for that "fender or vox" tone....not bad at all...but still...it's not the normal speaker that you think of w/ a AC30 or a Fender Twin. But...those tones translate very well w/ the Scumback M75 though...good enough, to warrant not having a Alnico speaker for a AC30...or an old Jensen for the Twin types of tones.
That's why I like the K100 and the M75...those speakers...separate or together...really give you a vintage vibe...and a higher clarity all rolled into one...and have a very unique vibe together honestly. A 4x12 of M75s is amazing...and a 2x12 w/ a M75 and K100.
As far as Iso cabs..I've been using one for awhile now. I'll add another post later on regarding that....I have a 2nd gen Grendel Dead Room iso cab for sale if you are interested.
Eric
aeroic
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chickenoolie":cto7k8e5 said:
So...part #2. Mic'ing cabs w/ isolation cabs are definitely a bit different than mic'ing cabinets in the "open air." The isolation cabinet will provide it's own "coloration" also. What's great about them, is they allow you to record at home, and get really good tone...but still it's not the same as mic'ing a guitar cab in a good booth. Designs like Randall's isolation cab, Grendel's isolation cab...riveras...don't allow for anything but close micing. Although I've gotten great results using them, I do find them very constraining. I am working with a friend from Auralex that is helping me build a isolation cab that houses a 1x12 cabinet... We are going to design it so that it's as flat as possible with regards to the frequency response of the cab...meaning...try our best to not boost any frequencies moreso than others. Also, we are going to probably do 2-3 layers of stuff like plywood, MDF, fiberglass, and acoustic foam. That way we can decouple the cab and mic's as much from the box around it, giving it more air and such...and more like mic'ing a cab in a true booth.
I really like the isolation cabs I've had so far...especially for like live usage... But getting killer tones to tape..has been a bit harder. I've mastered them so far....but still. It's not the same.
Eric
chickenoolie
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Eric - thanks so much for the detailed response.
On the iso cab, have you ever tried running the iso cab signal to powered speakers
(or a power amp and speakers) in a room and then room micing the full range
speakers? Basically re-micing it. I wonder if that either on it's own or mixed with the
iso cab signal would add something back.
I'll definitely have to check out the M75's where a vintage alnico would usually be
found - the alnico descriptions always sound like what I want, but the actual tone
coming out of them doesn't always match up with what's built up in my head.
That and the fact that their three times as expensive - as they say "you mojo what
you pay for."
On the iso cab, have you ever tried running the iso cab signal to powered speakers
(or a power amp and speakers) in a room and then room micing the full range
speakers? Basically re-micing it. I wonder if that either on it's own or mixed with the
iso cab signal would add something back.
I'll definitely have to check out the M75's where a vintage alnico would usually be
found - the alnico descriptions always sound like what I want, but the actual tone
coming out of them doesn't always match up with what's built up in my head.
That and the fact that their three times as expensive - as they say "you mojo what
you pay for."