I wanted to like this guitar, I really wanted to

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I figured I'd run by Guitar Center today and get a couple packs of strings after work and thought I'd check out their used section online to see if anything looked like a good deal....yeah right, when's the last time any of us got a good deal on a used guitar at Guitar Center? Online, it looked like a white Tele with maple/maple, Fender locking tuners, and a brass nut, probably from 2020 if his serial numbers are easy enough to read. Guitar Center takes HORRIBLE pics of used gear.

Anywho, they had this Tele from a local builder I wanted to check out. I'm not a Tele guy, but it was $500 used and he puts out decent looking guitars, at least from what I've seen pics of. He sells them on his site, or through FB Marketplace locally for $702 and up. Now, I've got a CMG Ashlee that when new was probably $800, so I know what a beginner US instrument in that price range should feel and play like. The Ashlee actually is quite good with a beautiful finish that they do in house. This Tele? Not so much....it was pretty much hot garbage. He's not a luthier, he's an overpriced assembler. I wanted to like it and I wanted it to be nice since it's a local guy so I could bring it home. In my opinion, the guitar should have been about $500-550 new, and $300 used. His decal with his shop name wasn't even a real decal! It wasn't the kind you have made for you and then stick on and pull off the excess backing material. It was a plain long strip of clear backing material with his logo printed on it, but the excess wasn't removable. It wasn't even trimmed to line up to the edge of the logo....just excess backing material and part of that was hanging off of the headstock. His serial # sticker was only slightly nicer.

I can check his current build sheets and he uses XGP bodies/necks, so cheap crap from Guitar Fetish. The body felt nice I suppose, but it's just a plain ol' piece of wood that's been computer routed en masse in China, so yeah....it'll be decent. It was a seafoam green with front and rear binding that was ok, no real big glaring issues in it, but could still tell it was a cheap body. The pickups were who knows what and it had a Joe Barden bridge. The neck....well, that's what turned me off. Sure, it was flat, sure there were no dead notes/bends but the harmonics weren't so impressive, there were a few fret ends that could use some work, but the frets themselves were beyond tarnished and in need of work. Maybe just a polish would have fixed them....but ya know how when you pick up a cheeaaaap Squire off the rack and the frets look gold from a distance from all the tarnish/marring/ugliness? Yeah...every fret looked like crap. I actually picked up a new Kramer Baretta Special, and the one with the dual humbuckers and Floyd Special for $379, and the frets looked the same. I expect that off a new cheap Chinese guitar that was shipped over and never really been set up or played/cared for, but this was an assembled guitar that had been owned and probably had several sets of strings put on it and been used. The neck also just felt cheap....like a cheap Chinese neck that just happened to be a good one out of the batch as far as no blemishes or anything, but nothing that'd even remotely inspire you to keep playing it.

The only nice thing I can say about the guitar was that the bridge was probably a decent bridge, and the locking Fender tuners were nice. They were SUPER sensitive, it was a bit hard to get it in tune without making tiny itty bitty adjustments...either that, or the tuner on that Line 6 combo was just really bad lol I dug the idea of the brass nut, but the high e seemed to have a tinny metallic sound to it when playing it open during tuning. Also, the G, B, and E had little cutouts or something where the string goes through it, I wouldn't imagine it had chipped off, I figured it was just part of the design.

They also had a 2020 Strat he had built, $500 as well. I picked it up and immediately set it back down without even playing it. It felt like a toy in my hands it was so light, and on the high e side of the neck pocket, there was a massive blemish where wood had been broken off when setting the neck in or something and crudely "fixed" and painted over. It was totally obvious it had been damaged at some point.

So, I came home empty handed....except for the 2 packs of strings. As a bonus, I did try out the Baretta Special and that slightly more expensive one. Not even remotely impressed like all the YouTube guys say. If they had a big sale on those and would sell the $379 one with the Floyd Special for less, I'd take it and put my spare chrome OFR on it and some real pickups and keep it around as a beater guitar, but I couldn't even justify paying $200 for the Baretta Special.
 
Next time take pics, that would be super helpful 🤘
 
I was never able to check out a Baretta Special first hand but everybody raves about those things for the $179.00 - $199.00 MSRP.
 
Next time take pics, that would be super helpful 🤘
The guitar wasn't really worth it. Maybe if it wasn't for me, but nicer and thought someone else may be interested I would have. But I wouldn't wish that guitar on anyone at that price point.
 
Next time take pics, that would be super helpful 🤘
Am I doin' this right ?

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The $699.00 and $799.00 MSRP Baretta and 84 models are said to be severely lacking for the price.
 
I've played guitars made by local luthiers that are in price range of 3000-4000$ and were nothing special or straight up ass. :D Thank god you can source quality parts and assemble one for a lot cheaper. (y)
 
The guitar wasn't really worth it. Maybe if it wasn't for me, but nicer and thought someone else may be interested I would have. But I wouldn't wish that guitar on anyone at that price point.

Exactly. That way we could SEE the neck pocket damage, etc.
 
I did hear back from the guy who built it with more information....figured it'd be worth posting just for shits n' giggles:

alder body, surf green double binding trim, swamp ash wood (it makes no sense where he got swamp ash from)
22 fret Canadian maple neck, Fender brass compensated nut slot
Fender 18:1 locking tuners
Tone Rider II pickups
3 way CRL switch, CTS pots with treble bleed
Joe Barden Vintage compensated bridge
Axemaster compensated brass nut

The build sheet said it had roller string trees but I don't recall seeing any on there....maybe it's just an option he puts on build sheets that the buyer didn't select.

He said he looked at the price and said he couldn't even build the guitar for that price. Me thinks that unless this guitar had nicer bodies/necks than what he currently uses, he's a little off on his math.

$185ish for the body and neck/nut, $75 for pickups, $50ish maybe for the pots, wiring, and jack, $50ish on tuners, and about $45 on the compensated bridge comes out to about $400, and that's me buying them without any kind of repeat customer pricing or discount like buyers get through places like Stew Mac and such. I'd say he could get them cheaper to replicate the guitar today. I don't know how much work is needed on these cheap parts to get them assembled, but if it's just basic pickup wiring and bolting the neck on and a basic setup, I could replicate the guitar at regular prices for $400ish and a few hours of my time in the afternoon. I know people need to be compensated for their time and I understand that, but Guitar Center selling this for $500 just seems high. If it were $400, I might pull the trigger just to have a Tele around for if I wanted different sounds.
 
I think you are underestimating the total cost and how much it would take to make worth your time. $500 just barely covers the essentials with the builder making low pay.

I just don’t get why people go thru all this trouble to build a shitty product and then not make very much money on it. We have all sorts of options for cheap guitars and some of them actually aren’t that bad for the money. You typ can’t compete with that building/selling partscasters at cost. I’ve seen several guys start amp companies assembling cheap clones and they usually don’t last. Selling hand-built Marshall clones for $900-$1000 isn’t going to make very much money.
 
I think this guy builds a guitar or two on the side during his free time for a little extra money to help pay bills or fund a hobby or something. It's probably easier to buy a chunk of parts that are consistent and modular and toss them together maybe on the weekend or something.

Someone else might pick it up and really like the neck, maybe someone who's only been playing a couple years and doesn't know what cheap feels like and it might be the best guitar they've ever played, and more power to them. That'd be an awesome way to go for that player. If Guitar Center would drop the price some, enough for it to be taken to a shop for a professional setup, it'd probably be quite the guitar. But that neck in current trim is just not what I feel it should be.

I agree on the clone amps, unless you're doing it to build your own collection or just build clones for a little extra money for the local gigging musicians, I don't see the point in starting a legit business just assembling guitars or amps from kits and selling them for just a few bucks profit.
 
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