ILA East/Gulf Coast Port Strike

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harddriver said:
I'm sure Musk and the WEF isn't going to use AI to learn how to write code and put all the software developers and AI specialist's out of business as well putting people like yourselves out of work along with the Luddites.:unsure:;)
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don't care, I'll be retired before that.

In fact, we, and others, have AI code generators that can create new code, modernize old code, and translate from one programming language to another, etc. that's already well underway; and I get paid if they buy our AI code generator products, not just our AI products and solutions.
 
MadAsAHatter said:
Something that perplexes me a little though. What actually gives unions any power? What's stopping a company from telling a union & their members to shove it and hire non-union; or as you've suggested take the opportunity to invest in AI & automation?
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Anti-scab legislature. In my world we "salt" (organize) contractors. Once a majority vote in favour of representation by the non-managerial employ has been reached, the governing body (labour board, up here) deems the contractor signatory.

A signatory body may not hire any bargaining unit positions outside of the union that represents them. Any breach of that is met with monetary penalty and all loss of pension/package funds on top of it. (This also varies somewhat locally, especially in the US).

Consider how companies end up unionized. They deserve absolutely no fuckin' way out of it, imo.
 
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Eta: Here at least, every 3 years a company can vote to decertify from a union with a majority vote. Perhaps they could try being good enough employers to present that as an option.
 
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rsm said:
or my sailboat...or somewhere in Asia. :D
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https://finance.yahoo.com/news/the-...st-the-beginning-morning-brief-100018329.html

Strike over automation - I agree we're going to see more of this. Luddites never win though; technology will continue to advance. You're either part of it or will be replaced by it. Resistance is futile.

As I posted above, IT has always been about automation long before AI; traditional AI has taken automation even further; and currently generative AI is an exponential jump from traditional AI. Quantum computing will take automation into many new areas.

In IT, we already have AI security, networking, dba, code generation/optimization, power monitoring, and more. AI is advancing in all of these IT admin areas because it's easiest. humans are still needed, especially for moving servers, connecting wires, turning the servers on, and replacing/upgrading hardware components.

AGI is also advancing - artificial general intelligence, which will be key for general purpose robotics...

robotics is further behind AI, but investment is growing, and general purpose robots are more challenging to create vs special purpose robots with limited functions.

most of the work of longshoremen can be replaced with AI / Robotics today, and it's already underway...no wonder the ILA is worried. It's going to be much easier to automate longshoremen compared to truck drivers!

unfortunately, I don't have any ports in my client portfolio...but a few of my peers do; and the conversations are increasing with a new sense of urgency...in fact I'm on an internal strategy call on maritime logistics as I write this; they're presenting our capabilities, solutions, and our partners.
 
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https://finance.yahoo.com/news/the-...st-the-beginning-morning-brief-100018329.html

Strike over automation - I agree we're going to see more of this. Luddites never win though; technology will continue to advance. You're either part of it or will be replaced by it. Resistance is futile.

As I posted above, IT has always been about automation long before AI; traditional AI has taken automation even further; and currently generative AI is an exponential jump from traditional AI. Quantum computing will take automation into many new areas.

In IT, we already have AI security, networking, dba, code generation/optimization, power monitoring, and more. AI is advancing in all of these IT admin areas because it's easiest. humans are still needed, especially for moving servers, connecting wires, turning the servers on, and replacing/upgrading hardware components.

AGI is also advancing - artificial general intelligence, which will be key for general purpose robotics...

robotics is further behind AI, but investment is growing, and general purpose robots are more challenging to create vs special purpose robots with limited functions.

most of the work of longshoremen can be replaced with AI / Robotics today, and it's already underway...no wonder the ILA is worried. It's going to be much easier to automate longshoremen compared to truck drivers!

unfortunately, I don't have any ports in my client portfolio...but a few of my peers do; and the conversations are increasing with a new sense of urgency...in fact I'm on an internal strategy call on maritime logistics as I write this; they're presenting our capabilities, solutions, and our partners.
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Replace it with AI and when the system is hacked you'll wish you had kept the longshoreman. The automation of everything will result in a catastrophe when the CME destroys all electronics.
 
They got what they wanted, apparently. I saw them on the news marching with their signs blocking the port entrance here in Savannah. I woke up the next morning and saw there was an agreement for something like a 70% increase over 7 years?! That’s a huge raise if I saw all this correctly.
 
CRAIG4FSU said:
They got what they wanted, apparently. I saw them on the news marching with their signs blocking the port entrance here in Savannah. I woke up the next morning and saw there was an agreement for something like a 70% increase over 7 years?! That’s a huge raise if I saw all this correctly.
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I think it's 50 something. By the end of the (Tentative) agreement they will be making like $77/hr. Or replaced by machines.
 
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They got what they wanted, apparently. I saw them on the news marching with their signs blocking the port entrance here in Savannah. I woke up the next morning and saw there was an agreement for something like a 70% increase over 7 years?! That’s a huge raise if I saw all this correctly.
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East coast is not cheap area to live in... hell... anywhere USA isn't, and those in the news keeps saying how $39.00 bucks an hour is a killer wage which it is not in 2024. They keep bitching with their overtime they make 6 figures, and they should... hell they work 60-72 hour work weeks on 12 hour shifts (so they earn it),especially with inflation and medical costs making peoples wage increases moot even if they get a 3% COLA every year they still are not keeping up.

I guess the Luddites who unload ships are more important than the elites and scoffers want to acknowledge.....For now.....:unsure:

I'm sure they will ramp up AI automation and then start building T6 Terminators in 2030 to put the retired useless eaters on PERMANENT vacation so they don't have to pay their retirements and medicare costs.........that will included private retirement funds too.......you don't think they will forget about anyone who isn't a billionaire in the 1% club do you?

It's not like they view the human race as chattel to be exploited and then culled...oh that's right....Henry Kissinger wrote books and government studies on it along with the Club Of Rome in the 1970's and Klaus picked up the mantle for the WEF.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Study_Memorandum_200

National Security Study Memorandum 200: Implications of Worldwide Population Growth for U.S. Security and Overseas Interests (NSSM200), also known as the "Kissinger Report", was a national security directive completed on December 10, 1974 by the United States National Security Council under the direction of Henry Kissinger following initial orders from President of the United States Richard Nixon.
 
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VonBonfire said:
Replace it with AI and when the system is hacked you'll wish you had kept the longshoreman. The automation of everything will result in a catastrophe when the CME destroys all electronics.
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not me. state and local government agencies are the easiest targets for hackers for many reasons. IIRC they're the number one target for ransomeware.

Companies and IT organizations that take security seriously are too much effort and risk for the effort for hackers; doesn't mean they don't try, they just don't get very far. Like most criminals, hackers look for the easiest targets. That's also why phishing is a popular exploit since it gets the hackers passed the first layers of security, but if an IT org does it right the hackers don't get very far.

FWIW, I'm not an IT security expert, but I have a dedicated IT security team as part of my team; we meet weekly.

IDK, that ILA president's arrogance pissed me off when he threatened to shut down the US economy given they're paid more than many unionized workers who would also be hurt by their strike, but "union solidarity", right?
 
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not me. state and local government agencies are the easiest targets for hackers for many reasons. IIRC they're the number one target for ransomeware.

Companies and IT organizations that take security seriously are too much effort and risk for the effort for hackers; doesn't mean they don't try, they just don't get very far. Like most criminals, hackers look for the easiest targets. That's also why phishing is a popular exploit since it gets the hackers passed the first layers of security, but if an IT org does it right the hackers don't get very far.

FWIW, I'm not an IT security expert, but I have a dedicated IT security team as part of my team; we meet weekly.

IDK, that ILA president's arrogance pissed me off when he threatened to shut down the US economy given they're paid more than many unionized workers who would also be hurt by their strike, but "union solidarity", right?
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I always appreciate your tech insights but I have to ask what state and local gov agencies have to do with longshoremen loading and unloading boats? Forgive me rsm, I probably don't understand how it all works well enough. It just seems like a bad idea to me to automate it all but yeah I def agree about the ILA prez's threats. You don't hold the people who more or less pay your salary hostage like that.
 
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VonBonfire said:
I always appreciate your tech insights but I have to ask what state and local gov agencies have to do with longshoremen loading and unloading boats? Forgive me rsm, I probably don't understand how it all works well enough. It just seems like a bad idea to me to automate it all but yeah I def agree about the ILA prez's threats. You don't hold the people who more or less pay your salary hostage like that.
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you mentioned the ports under AI being hacked. My response was to say that if they take IT security seriously, hackers won't get far since they look for easy targets, and by far the easiest happen to be state and local government systems, especially for ransomeware - as an example.

there's always a security risk; hackers look for the easiest targets
 
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