Ventura
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Hagen is better suited to drop-tunings IMHO.JimmyBlind":35fzxh4q said:
The VH4 is ace as is.
Uncle Mo
The VH4 is ace as is.
Uncle Mo
kahawe
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The voices, they telling me I need a Hagen as well! :0
JimmyBlind
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kahawe":2n0baiv9 said:
I had always considered that the Diezel product line were voiced specifically to meet different musical applications, with a couple of cheaper, less equipped alternatives thrown in the mix.
In a Nutshell, this is how I personally view Diezel's amps...
VH4 - Hard-Rock
Herbert - Metal
Hagen - Modern Metal Voicing
Not to say that one takes over from where the other left off of course, as there is a great deal of overlap in the sounds these amps can deliver. Take the above with a pinch of salt of course, but it gives the product line a certain degree of cohesive purpose.
I've met people who own an arsenal of Diezel amps, a couple of which maintain that the Hagen is their favourite. These guys were metallers, so perhaps a little biased. This surprised me as the Herbert is a pretty unrivaled beast if you play heavy music.
My philosophy with musical instruments & hardware is that the more extreme something is designed to be, generally the less versatile it becomes. Much like the Active vs Passive pup debate. You can't play metal on a Fender twin either.
My VH4 is 'just' about capable of playing the blues & has certainly enough tone for a rock/hard rock/metal environment. Ancillary equipment can be added to boost an amplifier but very few exist that can effectively tame one. If you play heavy music, only heavy music & only intend to ever play heavy music, you'd do better to look to the Herbert or Hagen.
kahawe
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Jimmy: love your reply and my GAS-freakout didn't warrant such a profound reply 
With the vh4 and dmoll I got it's a Got-to-catch-them-all kinda of itching, really, since they are all great and versatile! And then there's the bogners... so much GAS!
With the vh4 and dmoll I got it's a Got-to-catch-them-all kinda of itching, really, since they are all great and versatile! And then there's the bogners... so much GAS!
Ventura
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JimmyBlind, there are a lot of long-termers here on the Diezel forum who've owned many if not all the Diezel amps at one time or another. I will say this about Diezel amps:
1. Nothing sounds like a Diezel, and Diezel sounds like nothing else.
2. Diezel amps are incredibly versatile, the different models just offer different voicings to the Diezel tone.
3. Pigeonholing any one Diezel amp is futile, as all of them are capably suitable from jazz and country, to metal and deathcore.
4. The purpose of the different models is to widen the goalposts sonically to embrace either end of the spectrum.
Hagen's Ch.2 is probably one of the best most underrated Diezel chapters I know of. Hagen's Ch.4 almost as much. Yet, it's the Ch.1 "clean" and the Ch.3 "signature" that get all the press. As for the VH4? One of the most common amps found in recording studios around the world - it's just that versatile, and man, it can seriously throw down. Herbert? Biggest seller in Japan and can go from jazz to nuclear with the flick of a switch - as well - the most potent of all Diezels with a 6 tube power section (that's just earthquake material man...c'mon). D-Moll, gaining huge ground fast as one of the most versatile amps out there - open, organic, chewing - yet still retaining all the signature tone.
I love Diezel amps.
Uncle Mo
1. Nothing sounds like a Diezel, and Diezel sounds like nothing else.
2. Diezel amps are incredibly versatile, the different models just offer different voicings to the Diezel tone.
3. Pigeonholing any one Diezel amp is futile, as all of them are capably suitable from jazz and country, to metal and deathcore.
4. The purpose of the different models is to widen the goalposts sonically to embrace either end of the spectrum.
Hagen's Ch.2 is probably one of the best most underrated Diezel chapters I know of. Hagen's Ch.4 almost as much. Yet, it's the Ch.1 "clean" and the Ch.3 "signature" that get all the press. As for the VH4? One of the most common amps found in recording studios around the world - it's just that versatile, and man, it can seriously throw down. Herbert? Biggest seller in Japan and can go from jazz to nuclear with the flick of a switch - as well - the most potent of all Diezels with a 6 tube power section (that's just earthquake material man...c'mon). D-Moll, gaining huge ground fast as one of the most versatile amps out there - open, organic, chewing - yet still retaining all the signature tone.
I love Diezel amps.
Uncle Mo
Ventura
Well-known member
And PS: I find there to be less and less need for any ancillary pedals/FX with my Diezels. I just love 'em straight up 
[this doesn't include the ubiquitous delay and 'verb in the loop for "dimensional" space... just sayin]
[this doesn't include the ubiquitous delay and 'verb in the loop for "dimensional" space... just sayin]
Sigma.Xiria
Member
Ventura":c6cghwu2 said:
Fuckin' damn right!!!!!!
TheSweep
Member
My drummer said something along those lines at practice once. He said the D-Moll just "spews' out nasty tone.
Also, the VH4 can do metal no problem. Not sure what you talkin' bout Jimmy.
JimmyBlind
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TheSweep":2rnve8jm said:
JimmyBlind":2rnve8jm said:
I concur?
TheSweep
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JimmyBlind
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Touche!
spanny
Active member
The VH4 is the best amp Ive ever played. Thats my 2 cents 
Sigma.Xiria
Member
spanny":10c3r7cb said:The VH4 is the best amp Ive ever played. Thats my 2 cents
Agreed!
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21_guitars
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Enough already, buy one!