Is a Recessed Floyd on a Charvel a good idea?

[Anonymous]

So is there an accepted definition of what a superstrat is or not? So far all I see are opinions...

The 1st "Super Strat" was invented by this MAN, out of factory 2nd parts.

Pffftt... It's a strat with a new pickguard and a humbucker. Nuthin' "super" about that... Already done dozens of times before Ed as seen elsewhere in this thread. Jackson Soloist is the first super strat.. or I'll even concede Grover's innovation of rear mounting the electronics and doing away with the pickguard on strats ala EVH's bumblebee (invented by Grover, NOT Ed!), but I still believe the Soloist is the first real super strat.

I still think we should argue about it some more though... This and the Jose thread are the best ones in years...

Steve

 

[mikehickey]

I think Ed's were super because his playing was super in a popular music context reaching masses of people.

 

[Zachman]

So is there an accepted definition of what a superstrat is or not? So far all I see are opinions...

The 1st "Super Strat" was invented by this MAN, out of factory 2nd parts.

Pffftt... It's a strat with a new pickguard and a humbucker. Nuthin' "super" about that... Already done dozens of times before Ed as seen elsewhere in this thread. Jackson Soloist is the first super strat.. or I'll even concede Grover's innovation of rear mounting the electronics and doing away with the pickguard on strats ala EVH's bumblebee (invented by Grover, NOT Ed!), but I still believe the Soloist is the first real super strat.

I still think we should argue about it some more though... This and the Jose thread are the best ones in years...

Steve

I could've sworn that he was the 1st to put a humbucker in a strat, and the 1st w/ a humbucker strat w/ a Floyd, and the 1st w/ rear mounted electronics, on a Strat body shape-- not to mention this was quite some time before Jackson's name was on the map. I would go even further and say that-- but for him, Jackson's name would not be as noticeable as it is.

Either way, it was obviously innovative.

Ed's 1st BB guitar, you'll note the Charvel logo, not Jackson's.

 

[Shawn Lutz]

Eddie wasn't even the first to tap LOL...lets discuss

 

[Anonymous]

Zach, Zach, Zach...

I could've sworn that he was the 1st to put a humbucker in a strat.

Nope. Go look earlier in this thread. Gilmour had a strat with a humbucker in '68... many did it before Ed...

and the 1st w/ a humbucker strat w/ a Floyd

The Floyd Rose was someone else's innovation, not Ed's. He certainly popularized it, but he didn't invent it.

and the 1st w/ rear mounted electronics, on a Strat body shape.

Once again. Grover Jackson came up with that idea, built one for Ed and Ed popularized it...

not to mention this was quite some time before Jackson's name was on the map. I would go even further and say that-- but for him, Jackson's name would not be as noticeable as it is..

Your first statement is incorrect since Grover built EVH's bumblebee, but I'll agree that Ed popularized stuff that led to Charvel/Jackson getting notariety...

Either way, it was obviously innovative.

Yes, Grover certainly was quite innovative...

Ed's 1st BB guitar, you'll note the Charvel logo, not Jackson's.

Yeah, but Grover Jackson bought Charvel from Wayne in '78. This guitar was built by Grover Jackson's Charvel, not Wayne's. Did you not know that Wayne was already out when this guitar (with its no pickguard and rear mounted electronics innovation) was built? This innovation was Grover's... Wayne basically repaired guitars, built some parts guitars and sold other people's parts. He had absolutely zero to do with the Charvels that we knew and loved back in the day...

Steve

 

[Anonymous]

Eddie wasn't even the first to tap LOL...lets discuss

True! He certainly took it to the extreme though... and made all of us want to do it!

Steve

 

[Zachman]

Zach, Zach, Zach...

I could've sworn that he was the 1st to put a humbucker in a strat.

Nope. Go look earlier in this thread. Gilmour had a strat with a humbucker in '68... many did it before Ed...

and the 1st w/ a humbucker strat w/ a Floyd

The Floyd Rose was someone else's innovation, not Ed's. He certainly popularized it, but he didn't invent it.

and the 1st w/ rear mounted electronics, on a Strat body shape.

Once again. Grover Jackson came up with that idea, built one for Ed and Ed popularized it...

not to mention this was quite some time before Jackson's name was on the map. I would go even further and say that-- but for him, Jackson's name would not be as noticeable as it is..

Your first statement is incorrect since Grover built EVH's bumblebee, but I'll agree that Ed popularized stuff that led to Charvel/Jackson getting notariety...

Either way, it was obviously innovative.

Yes, Grover certainly was quite innovative...

Ed's 1st BB guitar, you'll note the Charvel logo, not Jackson's.

Yeah, but Grover Jackson bought Charvel from Wayne in '78. This guitar was built by Grover Jackson's Charvel, not Wayne's. Did you not know that Wayne was already out when this guitar (with its no pickguard and rear mounted electronics innovation) was built? This innovation was Grover's... Wayne basically repaired guitars, built some parts guitars and sold other people's parts. He had absolutely zero to do with the Charvels that we knew and loved back in the day...

Steve

Interesting re: Gilmour, and the many others I was unaware of.

Thanks

Seriously though, relax a few notches

 

[Anonymous]

Zach, Zach, Zach...

I could've sworn that he was the 1st to put a humbucker in a strat.

Nope. Go look earlier in this thread. Gilmour had a strat with a humbucker in '68... many did it before Ed...

and the 1st w/ a humbucker strat w/ a Floyd

The Floyd Rose was someone else's innovation, not Ed's. He certainly popularized it, but he didn't invent it.

and the 1st w/ rear mounted electronics, on a Strat body shape.

Once again. Grover Jackson came up with that idea, built one for Ed and Ed popularized it...

not to mention this was quite some time before Jackson's name was on the map. I would go even further and say that-- but for him, Jackson's name would not be as noticeable as it is..

Your first statement is incorrect since Grover built EVH's bumblebee, but I'll agree that Ed popularized stuff that led to Charvel/Jackson getting notariety...

Either way, it was obviously innovative.

Yes, Grover certainly was quite innovative...

Ed's 1st BB guitar, you'll note the Charvel logo, not Jackson's.

Yeah, but Grover Jackson bought Charvel from Wayne in '78. This guitar was built by Grover Jackson's Charvel, not Wayne's. Did you not know that Wayne was already out when this guitar (with its no pickguard and rear mounted electronics innovation) was built? This innovation was Grover's... Wayne basically repaired guitars, built some parts guitars and sold other people's parts. He had absolutely zero to do with the Charvels that we knew and loved back in the day...

Steve

Interesting re: Gilmour, and the many others I was unaware of.

Thanks

Seriously though, relax a few notches

You miss the wink and smile somehow, me brother? All my comments are in the interest of sharing knowledge, of course...

I still think the most interesting thing is the Charvel logo thing you brought up. Not many people realize that it was Grover and not Wayne who is responsible for the Charvels we love...

Steve

 

[mikehickey]

When Grover built Randy the first neck through guitar he put Jackson on the headstock in case it was a flop so as not to tarnish the Charvel brand name he had done so well to establish.

 

[loudgtr]

Good debate without anyone getting pissy. Schaf

OH........ NOW IT IS ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This thread is a disgrace

Great thread!

 

[Zachman]

Zach, Zach, Zach...

I could've sworn that he was the 1st to put a humbucker in a strat.

Nope. Go look earlier in this thread. Gilmour had a strat with a humbucker in '68... many did it before Ed...

and the 1st w/ a humbucker strat w/ a Floyd

The Floyd Rose was someone else's innovation, not Ed's. He certainly popularized it, but he didn't invent it.

and the 1st w/ rear mounted electronics, on a Strat body shape.

Once again. Grover Jackson came up with that idea, built one for Ed and Ed popularized it...

not to mention this was quite some time before Jackson's name was on the map. I would go even further and say that-- but for him, Jackson's name would not be as noticeable as it is..

Your first statement is incorrect since Grover built EVH's bumblebee, but I'll agree that Ed popularized stuff that led to Charvel/Jackson getting notariety...

Either way, it was obviously innovative.

Yes, Grover certainly was quite innovative...

Ed's 1st BB guitar, you'll note the Charvel logo, not Jackson's.

Yeah, but Grover Jackson bought Charvel from Wayne in '78. This guitar was built by Grover Jackson's Charvel, not Wayne's. Did you not know that Wayne was already out when this guitar (with its no pickguard and rear mounted electronics innovation) was built? This innovation was Grover's... Wayne basically repaired guitars, built some parts guitars and sold other people's parts. He had absolutely zero to do with the Charvels that we knew and loved back in the day...

Steve

Interesting re: Gilmour, and the many others I was unaware of.

Thanks

Seriously though, relax a few notches

You miss the wink and smile somehow, me brother? All my comments are in the interest of sharing knowledge, of course...

I still think the most interesting thing is the Charvel logo thing you brought up. Not many people realize that it was Grover and not Wayne who is responsible for the Charvels we love...

Steve

I did... Sorry bout that. I stand corrected.... Chest cold, medicated and sore from coughing my ass off. Feel like Tyson has been beating my ribs in a championship bout.

The info is most appreciated.

 

[Anonymous]

Zach, Zach, Zach...

I could've sworn that he was the 1st to put a humbucker in a strat.

Nope. Go look earlier in this thread. Gilmour had a strat with a humbucker in '68... many did it before Ed...

and the 1st w/ a humbucker strat w/ a Floyd

The Floyd Rose was someone else's innovation, not Ed's. He certainly popularized it, but he didn't invent it.

and the 1st w/ rear mounted electronics, on a Strat body shape.

Once again. Grover Jackson came up with that idea, built one for Ed and Ed popularized it...

not to mention this was quite some time before Jackson's name was on the map. I would go even further and say that-- but for him, Jackson's name would not be as noticeable as it is..

Your first statement is incorrect since Grover built EVH's bumblebee, but I'll agree that Ed popularized stuff that led to Charvel/Jackson getting notariety...

Either way, it was obviously innovative.

Yes, Grover certainly was quite innovative...

Ed's 1st BB guitar, you'll note the Charvel logo, not Jackson's.

Yeah, but Grover Jackson bought Charvel from Wayne in '78. This guitar was built by Grover Jackson's Charvel, not Wayne's. Did you not know that Wayne was already out when this guitar (with its no pickguard and rear mounted electronics innovation) was built? This innovation was Grover's... Wayne basically repaired guitars, built some parts guitars and sold other people's parts. He had absolutely zero to do with the Charvels that we knew and loved back in the day...

Steve

Interesting re: Gilmour, and the many others I was unaware of.

Thanks

Seriously though, relax a few notches

You miss the wink and smile somehow, me brother? All my comments are in the interest of sharing knowledge, of course...

I still think the most interesting thing is the Charvel logo thing you brought up. Not many people realize that it was Grover and not Wayne who is responsible for the Charvels we love...

Steve

I did... Sorry bout that. I stand corrected.... Chest cold, medicated and sore from coughing my ass off. Feel like Tyson has been beating my ribs in a championship bout.

The info is most appreciated.

Feel better soon, my friend!

Steve

 

[Zachman]

Zach, Zach, Zach...

I could've sworn that he was the 1st to put a humbucker in a strat.

Nope. Go look earlier in this thread. Gilmour had a strat with a humbucker in '68... many did it before Ed...

and the 1st w/ a humbucker strat w/ a Floyd

The Floyd Rose was someone else's innovation, not Ed's. He certainly popularized it, but he didn't invent it.

and the 1st w/ rear mounted electronics, on a Strat body shape.

Once again. Grover Jackson came up with that idea, built one for Ed and Ed popularized it...

not to mention this was quite some time before Jackson's name was on the map. I would go even further and say that-- but for him, Jackson's name would not be as noticeable as it is..

Your first statement is incorrect since Grover built EVH's bumblebee, but I'll agree that Ed popularized stuff that led to Charvel/Jackson getting notariety...

Either way, it was obviously innovative.

Yes, Grover certainly was quite innovative...

Ed's 1st BB guitar, you'll note the Charvel logo, not Jackson's.

Yeah, but Grover Jackson bought Charvel from Wayne in '78. This guitar was built by Grover Jackson's Charvel, not Wayne's. Did you not know that Wayne was already out when this guitar (with its no pickguard and rear mounted electronics innovation) was built? This innovation was Grover's... Wayne basically repaired guitars, built some parts guitars and sold other people's parts. He had absolutely zero to do with the Charvels that we knew and loved back in the day...

Steve

Interesting re: Gilmour, and the many others I was unaware of.

Thanks

Seriously though, relax a few notches

You miss the wink and smile somehow, me brother? All my comments are in the interest of sharing knowledge, of course...

I still think the most interesting thing is the Charvel logo thing you brought up. Not many people realize that it was Grover and not Wayne who is responsible for the Charvels we love...

Steve

I did... Sorry bout that. I stand corrected.... Chest cold, medicated and sore from coughing my ass off. Feel like Tyson has been beating my ribs in a championship bout.

The info is most appreciated.

Feel better soon, my friend!

Steve

Thanks Steve...

 

[Chubtone]

This is a great thread and shows what Rig Talk is still capable of, in a good week. And anyone else notice how populated this thread is by 1st generation RT'ers? It's good to see you guys back and active!

 

[Chubtone]

This thread is a disgrace

The original posting of this line complete with the F bomb was one of the funniest, most over the top posts in the history of any forum I have ever been on. It was like a train crash combined with the funniest thing I have ever read.

And now it is a RT tag line that will live forever!

 

[Digital Jams]

Eddie nothing.................John Oates OWNED him in superstrats!

 

[steve_k]

Nothing to contribute.....except these 42mm brass blocks from KTS are the shiz and really woke up the Charvel.

 

[mikehickey]

Nothing to contribute.....except these 42mm brass blocks from KTS are the shiz and really woke up the Charvel.

i really like the look of that Charvel, it would be insane with a black headstock and gold logo, but killer as is.

I was thinking of trying one of these brass blocks at some point.

 

[steve_k]

Nothing to contribute.....except these 42mm brass blocks from KTS are the shiz and really woke up the Charvel.

i really like the look of that Charvel, it would be insane with a black headstock and gold logo, but killer as is.

I was thinking of trying one of these brass blocks at some point.

The sustain and harmonics went from average to "oh shit". The big blocks are definitely worth the little bit of coin they cost. I had to add two more springs though and run the claw most of the way in to level out the bridge.

Steve

 

[AndyK]

Great thread! I remember Grover coming up with the Randy V guitar, and because it was so different and unlike all current Charvel models, Grover put a big "Jackson" on the headstock. The birth of Jackson neck thru guitars!

As Mr Keifer said -" don't know what you got till it's gone"!