bhuard75
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I'm looking for a traditional sized 412. Considering a used Marshall 412 1960 lead cab. Are they quality or junk? All plywood or MDF back? Would a scumback 412 be better?
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roadifier
New member
Depends on the price. If you can get it for 150 - 200 its worth it. But a used one for 400 or so isn't worth it IMO They are okay, but quality control is bad, and they all are different, so, some will sound amazing, some will sound okay, and some will sound like crap.
bubbastain
Well-known member
They are fine. Even for $300. Many bands played many shows and recorded many albums with them. I never had a problem with mine and they sound good. The back is particle board or MDF or whatever but so what. Good cabs.
guitarmike
Well-known member
$300 loaded is as much as I will pay. Unloaded $100-150 depending on condition/age. I have 2 old B cabs and one is the best sounding cab I have ever used, one is ok. I found a Hughes and Knetner with British greenbacks for $300 at music go round 5 years ago. It is the high end one, all plywood sounds good no matter what speakers I put in it.
I got an old Lee Jackson cab too, sounds great but too heavy to move.
I got an old Lee Jackson cab too, sounds great but too heavy to move.
romanianreaper
Well-known member
I think I'd rather have an older used one with the British speakers than some of the new ones with Chinese speakers.
I have two Marshall cabs and like the bottom one with V30s much better.
I have two Marshall cabs and like the bottom one with V30s much better.
glpg80
Well-known member
i owned a JCM800 lead series cabinet, with original rola G12-65's, the cabinet was dated 1983.
my 5150 cabinets blew it away in tone, no contest. when i was laid off from my job one of the first things to go was that cabinet - i know people selling similar cabinets for $600-800 here on the forum and it SOUNDED like a $300 cabinet at best, so that is what i sold it for.
IMHO if you can play the cabinet before you purchase then go for it, i had the chance to play it before hand but it still left alot to be desired for when doing a back to back comparison to my other rig.
my 5150 cabinets blew it away in tone, no contest. when i was laid off from my job one of the first things to go was that cabinet - i know people selling similar cabinets for $600-800 here on the forum and it SOUNDED like a $300 cabinet at best, so that is what i sold it for.
IMHO if you can play the cabinet before you purchase then go for it, i had the chance to play it before hand but it still left alot to be desired for when doing a back to back comparison to my other rig.
fluff191
Active member
The Marshall cans are junk. Don't pay anymore than $300 for one in good condition. Save another $200 and get yourself a Mesa and never look back.
Ventura
Well-known member
Unless it's vintage, no dice.
glpg80
Well-known member
Ventura":32cov3h6 said:
+1
if it has basketweave front grill cloth and the cabinet is beat to hell and back, it means it sounds good and is 100% worth getting
bigdaddyd
New member
Are we talking about the same cab that has been used by countless bands for a long ass time, or a new piece a crap that I don't know about? If it is the former, then this forum as really gone insane. You don't need a vintage Marshall cab for it to be ok. You don't need a boutique cab for it to count. Seriously, what the hell is wrong with some of you people? lol IDK where you guys live but since he didn't mention an empty cab, you can't get any cab around here for $150 let alone a Marshall....forget a vintage one. Shit, an avatar would empty would cost you more. Stop cork sniffing. Last time I saw RATM, Tom Morello used ONE Marshall 50w head and, you better sit down for this....one PEAVEY cab....and no not a good one. He just took off the name plate. He still sounded awesome.
glpg80
Well-known member
bigdaddyd":3gxbqfeo said:
first off i was just making a joke. but if you really want to go there - all wood used to make cabinets is not the same even from the same acre of land. Just because you cannot justifiably hear the difference does not mean it is not there nor does that give you a reason to stick your opinion over another person's reasoning when they claim they can. It works both ways.
ok" and "just enough to work" are not the same ballgame as "great", "perfect", "balanced", "quality", etc.
ok is a line 6 cabinet loaded with carvin speakers.
a great cabinet is a bogner cabinet or a 1970's marshall beat to living shit because it sounds good, not to be confused with a new looking 1970's cabinet because no one wanted to truck it anywhere worthy enough to benefit from its questionable tone. I have had two identical cabinets with identical speakers with identical speaker cable lengths coming from the same amplifier running the same guitar and still have different sound characteristics from each. Explain that one.
As far as peavey cabinets go i just mentioned i used them, have been for years. great cabinets, no cork sniffing here. better than everything? No, but it was better than my 1983 pre-rola JCM 800 lead series cabinet for sure.
you can get an unloaded marshall cabinet second hand for $150, i have seen them go for that all day long and then some here on the forum - considering most marshall cabinets go for $350 loaded and usually not a penny more - unless - it is 1970's. If you look even harder you can find a JCM 800 cabinet for $250 loaded, i know because i did. Devil is in the details - do your research.
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Anonymous
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i'd hold out and find a jcm lead or bass cab.
better build, more character, "seasoned" is most likely a good term here!
better build, more character, "seasoned" is most likely a good term here!
Ventura
Well-known member
The fact that he removed the name plate obviously morphed the sonic dynamics of this otherwise hopeless cabinet. I am certain he knew what he was doing - my guess is he had a custom built Dumble cabinet INSIDE the exo-skeleton Peavey shell... Keeping a low profile. Definitely.bigdaddyd":3j30idcb said:
I'm not a corksniffer and I'm not insane
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Ventura
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Now, back to the real question or statement... I am not a vintage corksniffing kinda guy. Not a chance. What I will say is this - I am NOT a fan of recent Marshall cabs as I think they sound shitty. Period. If you can find an old beat to shit one that's cheap, maybe a better bet. Why don't I like 'em? Maybe I haven't spent enough time with 'em, but I don't like their sound - and this could be speakers, could be wood, could be cabinet, could be a combo of everything. But the newer Marshall cabs just don't do it for me. Maybe I'm spoiled - I love my Diezels, I love the UberKab, I think Fryette's FB and Deliverance are totally underrated, and I think - probably the closest thing to a Marshall yet, for reasons I don't understand - the Bogner 4x12 V30 is a damn tasty sounding cab too. Why is it one sounds better than the other? Don't know. But if I only had $300 for a loaded cab, I'd be scouring the used market for an unknowing seller unloading a prime time 70's model Marshall 4x12 before coughing up for a new one, or any of the other 'cheaper' production models available today.
Just sayin'...
Mo
Just sayin'...
Mo
Motorpud
Active member
I'm not a fan of Marshall cabs in general but I've also noticed you have to judge them on a one by one basis because some sound good and some sound like crap. That's the reason I stay away.
The only Marshall cab I'd touch would be a TV412. A fellow forumite told me how surprised he was when he bought his and I found one to check out and it did sound pretty good and I could see myself using one in a pinch. You don't see them come up for sale often in my area though. Sounded better than the 1960AX I owned, for the money that cab wasn't very impressive
The only Marshall cab I'd touch would be a TV412. A fellow forumite told me how surprised he was when he bought his and I found one to check out and it did sound pretty good and I could see myself using one in a pinch. You don't see them come up for sale often in my area though. Sounded better than the 1960AX I owned, for the money that cab wasn't very impressive
bigdaddyd
New member
glpg80":7d37vrpa said:
Not for nothing, you are from NC. I am from NYC. Nothing here can be had for $150. I never said a Marshall cab is the best cab made. If you can't get a good sound out of a Marshall cab, you suck...period. You might be able to get a better sound out of a better cab, especially one that will cost a whole lot more...but you can certainly get a good sound out of one...especially a used, empty one, which you can fill with whatever speakers you choose.
glpg80
Well-known member
bigdaddyd":2mo9g1pr said:
fixed.
with that being said, i wouldnt pay anything more than $300 for the new shit they are trying to sell. as someone else said save 300 more and spend the money more wisely on a cabinet that can deliver the goods without build quality tolerance issues or made in china.
supersonic
New member
I just bought a new Marshall BX cab to run with my Friedman Marsha, sounds fantastic. Sure it's fitted with GBs' not V30s'. Overall I'm happy with the sound. I can't quite figure what all the fuss is about with Marshall build quality.
The Hoff
Active member
Haven't owned a Marshall cab... 
But I can comment on scumback cabs-definitely worth getting
There are many good cabs out there though-Mesa, Stone Age, Bogner, VHT. Play around, have fun experimenting!
But I can comment on scumback cabs-definitely worth getting
There are many good cabs out there though-Mesa, Stone Age, Bogner, VHT. Play around, have fun experimenting!
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zuel69
Active member
I thought "pre Rola" was an era that ended in the early 1970's.