Is the VH4's clean channel as bad as everyone says?

[smdb]

Whats this I hear about VH4's being better after 2007 Im a noob and dont understand why that would be

I'd love to hear the answer to this question as I have a 2006...

hopefully someone gives us an answer! how are you liking the clean channel on your 2006 VH4? If you could compair it to the clean channel of another head or amp what would it be?

Here is a link
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[Peter Diezel]

Hey guys I'm debating between getting the Diezel VH4 or the Herbert. Ive listened to every sound clip/recording I have found and read every review i could find on both amps.

Saying that i am a rock/hard rock player and play allot of clean wet delay/reverbie style stuff. I find the VH4 channels 2-4 are more my style and less aggressive than the Herbert. But I need a good clean channel, its a must. So my question to all you Diezel professionals.....is the clean channel on the VH4 really THAT bad? Will i have to run a Vox or Fender combo for cleans or can you get away with using it?

Any opinions would be amazing!

All the best ,

Jay

I didn´t know that EVERYONE says that the clean channel is bad.
So it´s time for a complete redesign ?

 

[Ventura]

Hey guys I'm debating between getting the Diezel VH4 or the Herbert. Ive listened to every sound clip/recording I have found and read every review i could find on both amps.

Saying that i am a rock/hard rock player and play allot of clean wet delay/reverbie style stuff. I find the VH4 channels 2-4 are more my style and less aggressive than the Herbert. But I need a good clean channel, its a must. So my question to all you Diezel professionals.....is the clean channel on the VH4 really THAT bad? Will i have to run a Vox or Fender combo for cleans or can you get away with using it?

Any opinions would be amazing!

All the best ,

Jay

I didn´t know that EVERYONE says that the clean channel is bad.
So it´s time for a complete redesign ?

Unless your "redesign" is going to offer the 4 or 5 channels most sought by all players, NO.

However, if you're in the mood, Herr Peter... Have ya ever thought about a multi-channel multi-specialty amp such as the one described above?
1 - Schmidt Clean
2 - Einstein Crunch/Texas
3 - Channel 2 of the Herbert
4 - Channel 3 of the VH4

Nice!!

I'd add another one in there too, just for good measure...

V.

 

[Joeytpg]

Joey - you have to play the schmidt! From what I hear, it would be the perfect match for you.

I played several Fenderamps before the Schmidt, two Twins, a DRRI and the Prosonic and I prefer the Schmidt's cleans over them.
The Reverb is also great sounding, slightly darker than the Fender reverb but way more useable (unless you want a surfsound).

goddamnit man, shut tha' fuck up!! I'm dying here..... I want a Schmidt bad!

 

[Peter Diezel]

Just kidding, we have customers buying the VH4
because of the clean channel. Btw. the clean
schematic on the Herbert and Vh4 is the same
excluding the volume pot.

 

[Joeytpg]

Just kidding, we have customers buying the VH4
because of the clean channel. Btw. the clean
schematic on the Herbert and Vh4 is the same
excluding the volume pot.

so the difference between the two is because of the power section?

 

[JasonEldon]

Just kidding, we have customers buying the VH4
because of the clean channel. Btw. the clean
schematic on the Herbert and Vh4 is the same
excluding the volume pot.

Hey Peter, talk about customer service! its a real honor and this is why i want to buy one of your amps! you listen to the people. By no means am i saying any part of your amps are bad at all.

The fact is i cant find one in Toronto Canada to try first ( I'm sure if i did i would eat my words about the clean channel) so my purchase is solely based on others opinions and your outstanding reputation. I play professionally and need a very versatile amp and after reading your comments have convinced me to go with the VH4. Thank you for having so much love for what you do and for making the greatest amps in the world.

all the best,

Jason Eldon

 

[Ventura]

Just kidding, we have customers buying the VH4
because of the clean channel. Btw. the clean
schematic on the Herbert and Vh4 is the same
excluding the volume pot.

Hey Peter, talk about customer service! its a real honor and this is why i want to buy one of your amps! you listen to the people. By no means am i saying any part of your amps are bad at all.

The fact is i cant find one in Toronto Canada to try first ( I'm sure if i did i would eat my words about the clean channel) so my purchase is solely based on others opinions and your outstanding reputation. I play professionally and need a very versatile amp and after reading your comments have convinced me to go with the VH4. Thank you for having so much love for what you do and for making the greatest amps in the world.

all the best,

Jason Eldon

Talk to Andy Cherna at Diffusion Audio - he's located in Montreal, and albeit that's a lengthy drive from Toronto, the fact of the matter is - you may end up being able to get one to try before you buy. Andy's a stand up cat, let him know 'Mo' sent you... I know he just recently received a big order of Diezels and, knowing Diezel, you'll try it out and there'll be NO need to return it - period. Diffusion Audio is the Canadian distributor, and the only place I know where you can test 'em out is Tone Boutique in Montreal. But to get the amp itself, square it away with Andy - all his deets are available online, and his email is andy@diffusion-audio.com

Peace,
Mojo aka "V."

 

[JasonEldon]

ttt

 

[Peter Diezel]

Just kidding, we have customers buying the VH4
because of the clean channel. Btw. the clean
schematic on the Herbert and Vh4 is the same
excluding the volume pot.

Hey Peter, talk about customer service! its a real honor and this is why i want to buy one of your amps! you listen to the people. By no means am i saying any part of your amps are bad at all.

The fact is i cant find one in Toronto Canada to try first ( I'm sure if i did i would eat my words about the clean channel) so my purchase is solely based on others opinions and your outstanding reputation. I play professionally and need a very versatile amp and after reading your comments have convinced me to go with the VH4. Thank you for having so much love for what you do and for making the greatest amps in the world.

all the best,

Jason Eldon

Thank You Jason !

A good clean depends also on the guitar. Singlecoil guitars
and humbuckers around 7 to 8k are mostly useable. The
high gain pickups tends to have a lot of midrange which
can distort the input stage of the amp. That´s not only the
case on Diezel amps. It would help to turn down
the volume a bit. With a 330pF cap on the volume pot
it´s possible to cut out the mids while turning down the
pot.

I don´t want to copy any famous clean schematics. Please
listen to the clips, the clean channel can work very well.

Regards,

Peter

 

[frantic77]

Is the VH4's clean channel as bad as everyone says?

what? never heard it before no way! it 's pretty damn good!
couldn'be happier with mine.also i do prefer it without any effect(chorus,delay etc...)

 

[i.ak]

The VH4's Ch1 is just wonderful with no single need for changing anything!
...actually, so are the remaining 3 channels.

I really wonder where is this information about bad sounding clean channel received from? Surely not everyone will like it, but Im rather sure that majority does like it.

 

[PaulyPanacea]

I have zero issues with the clean on my VH4. Sounds wayyy better than 98% of the high gain heads i have played/owned.

 

[Peter Diezel]

Just kidding, we have customers buying the VH4
because of the clean channel. Btw. the clean
schematic on the Herbert and Vh4 is the same
excluding the volume pot.

so the difference between the two is because of the power section?

Yes and of course the circuit layout

 

[nbarts]

Well, I play VH4 through Herbert's power amp & Herbert through VH4's power amp all the time and, I'm sorry, but they don't sound the same.

 

[VH4paul]

I really love the VH4 clean...actually it's the thing that really blew me away the first time I plugged my guitar into this amp.
I mean, I expected something awesome from ch3, 4 and even 2 but I thought that the clean would have been a sort of a compromise to get such a great distortion.

Well, when I played the 1st channel for the very first time I was like >>>
and that amp had JJ El34 in it which are not very "clean-friendly" imho
Surely you won't get a Fender replica, I'd say this is a little "thinner" compared to the fullness of that 6l6-type clean, but it's a gorgeous musical tone and I bet you won't be disappointed at all if you go for a VH4. Even better if you put some echo/delay in it...I run a EH Deluxe Memory Man in it and to me it's a pure tone bliss, truly amazing.

I cannot speak for the other models, but if you need the great versatility of this amp you'll get a great clean channel too imho!

 

[mightywarlock]

I think the cleans are somewhat similar between the vh4 and herbert, but whether its because 100w vs. 180w, or something else, the Herbert has more...depth...more airy chime to it.
it is clean.
I just got a vh4 and to me the clean IS different than the herbert. perhaps i haven't had it long enough (24 hours?) but there's something in the low end and the way it stays clean on the herbert that is more...pleasant or so...

i can easily crank the gain on my vh4 and make it punk or hard rock, which surprised me a little.
seems slightly thinner, less full, in a way.

not to say its bad, in any way, but it's just different.

I can see the need for reverb or something there.

but that's just the way they are...they are very similar amps, but different at the same time.

I actually think the Herbert is the cleaner amp of the 2.
I am thinking the vh4 is more over the top with tight thick distortion than my herbert.
it's really hard to describe...