Jake E. Lee's tone on Badlands "Dusk" CD is AMAZING!!!!

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I cannot stop listening to Badlands "Dusk" CD. It is by far the best tones I ever heard from jake and one of the best examples of what you can really expect from a Marshall Super Lead. I don't even know what Jake used on this disc but I assume Boss OD-1 and Marshall Super Leads and his Charvel with the Duncan JB.

It is just so raw sounding and so REAL sounding. Hardly any effects. It is much more representative of what you can expect from an old Marshall. So many people buy an old or reissue Super Lead and wonder how EVH got his tone. But Jakes tone on this is exactly what a great old Marshall sounds like.

I prefer his tone on this to either of the other Badlands CD's. I feel like I'm in the rehearsal room with them and there is no studio processing all over the tone.

Freaking loving it :rock:
 
I agree. That tone is sick and I would do anything to get it.
 
:rock: Weird though some of his live tone sucked with Ozzy. THis sounds great!
 
From what I remember, earlier on he was using 3 different Marshall's from the late 60's to early 70's on the albums. He was running a BOSS OD-1 with the gain "off" most of the time, and around 12 Noon for some parts. He was using older Marshall 4X12 (Straight) cabs loaded with EVM 12L speakers. In the later part of the 80's, he was using a '77 Marshall 100W and some mid 60's 50W-er on the albums instead. I would assume that's what's on "Dusk."
 
You're right Curt. That CD kicks some major ass. It's fun to listen to in headphones because it sounds so raw and natural. Don't get that stuff any more. Totally different genre, but I picked up the new Ronnie Earl (blues) and it is so refreshing because you can hear all the nuances of the music...missed notes, volume swells, pick sounds, etc., so much of the current music is so "perfect" that it;s not really fun to listen to.
 
I still like the first album better, but Dusk is awesome in every aspect
 
This CD came out first in Japan for over a year before any other other cheaper imports were available so I dropped the $30 on it, played it once or twice and haven't listened to it since...I guess I will have to break it out and give it another try. The first album is my favorite of the 3 (which still gets played regularly), but the second one has a few good tunes on it. The are some massively thick tones on that first one.
 
Dusk is my fav as well. I LOVE raw tones. I like the slick production some times, but more often than not, give me raw sounding mixes. I think that's what Waiting for the Punchline is my favorite Extreme disc to listen to.
 
tonmazz":2hg0jcyx said:
:rock: Weird though some of his live tone sucked with Ozzy. THis sounds great!

Agreed! I always thought his guitar tones with Ozzy sounded "sandy", like piles of wet sand slopping around like mush.

But his Badlands tones- a hell of a lot better. I need to listen to more of that stuff.
 
Chubtone":3v7dzpiz said:
I cannot stop listening to Badlands "Dusk" CD. It is by far the best tones I ever heard from jake and one of the best examples of what you can really expect from a Marshall Super Lead. I don't even know what Jake used on this disc but I assume Boss OD-1 and Marshall Super Leads and his Charvel with the Duncan JB.

It is just so raw sounding and so REAL sounding. Hardly any effects. It is much more representative of what you can expect from an old Marshall. So many people buy an old or reissue Super Lead and wonder how EVH got his tone. But Jakes tone on this is exactly what a great old Marshall sounds like.

I prefer his tone on this to either of the other Badlands CD's. I feel like I'm in the rehearsal room with them and there is no studio processing all over the tone.

Freaking loving it :rock:
Agrred...I love his tone on all the Badlands stuff but it seemed to get better with each album IMO. If you're talking about the white "Charvel" (really a Fender Strat that was reworked by Charvel), it had a prototype Holdsworth pickup, not a JB. I think he was using Super Leads for Dusk IIRC.
 
That is a great CD... All the badlands stuff is great.. I think Newworldman is right on about the equipment Jake used.
 
the main holdsworth is a JB with double screw bobbins and alnico 2

but apparently there are different versions
some with alnico 2, others with alnico 5, one with polysol wire, other with enamel, one wound like a JB, other wound like a 59 (or maybe like a custom V?)

:confused:
 
Some tidbits about the album Dusk, by Jeff Martin, from the RacerX message board.

http://racerx.edutom.co.uk/board/viewto ... hilit=dusk

Talk about the recording of Dusk


Jeff Martin writes:

Dusk, or the tunes put on the album, were intended as demos for the next Badlands album after Voo Doo Hwy. We had worked up that group of tunes at rehearsals at Mates in North Hollywood two months before recording them at Good Night L.A by a friend of Ray's, Shea Baby.

It's all 24 track full studio recording, but we did it all in less than 6 to 8 hours. We put the Mic's up, made sure they worked and Go! We recorded them primarily for Atlantic Records to hear and give us a budget for the full recording of the same tunes, if they liked what we had. They did not like the direction of the songs, for what ever the reason. Some months later we were dropped from Atlantic.

At the time we were happy with that outcome and so was the Management, being that Atlantic was not doing anything for us anyway. We shopped new prospects.

Almost every song was one-take recordings. I remember having floor Tom mic problems where we stopped to fix it, then restarted a song. But all in all, one takes. Even some endings were a little funky on my end, but Jake just flagged it off and we go to the next tune. I think Jake is the only one who did not make one mistake...if he did I did not hear it.

Ray had about 50% of his lyrics together. The rest were what he called Jib-A-Jab. He would put a word or two on the front of a line and rest were all vowels. He was amazing at it, and most folks never could tell the difference. He would come up with his melody line by Jib-A-Jabbing. I think he had a harder time finding lyrics that fit his Jabbing, due to the timing and the percussive hooks he would come up with while scatting along.

Nothing on Dusk was fixed, that Ray did, obviously due to his passing before the putting together of the tracks. For him to sound like what you hear on the album one take each tune, still amazes me to no end. He was one you could say had true talent, pitch and tone.




Why did you record Dusk "live"??

If you wanted to hear what Badlands sounded like in room, where you could just sit and watch. No mirrors, no smoke, no Bullshit. That is Dusk.

The best thing we did together was play. The biz end and all that comes with it, was the hard part. I have a recording of a Radio show around Seattle called Bob's Garage where we actually set up in this guy's garage. We played a few tunes and then did an interview. I had come across that tape a few years back and it's so tight and squeaky, it hurts. Both tunes were our jamming tunes...that anything go's. It was banging. I do believe Bob's Garage was used to weed out false musicians and bands. We passed with flying colors.

If you got another deal....would you have released Dusk as is? made fixes or re-record all the songs and make a "real" album??

It would have been all re-recorded at a huge amount of money. Most likely with changes in the songs and different songs. Atlantic, or the person we had to deal with, Jason Flom, like to get his mitts on tunes and fuck with them. Jake would not have any of that kind of Crap....one of the things I liked about him! Most likely why Atlantic jerked us around, we would not try to fit in to what ever band just made them alot of money and they thought it would be a good idea to follow........ but who know for sure.


One thing I must comment about Dusk is a vision I see in my mind every time some brings up the project or I listen to it myself.

During the begining of the song Sun Red Sun, while Jake was doing the intro, I could see Ray in the Vocal booth through a glass partition sitting on a stool giving me that charismatic smile of his. His arm held out in front of him and running his index finger back and forth across ten or twelve thin silver Indian bracelets he always wore.

That's the chimes you hear in the track.
 
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