Jake E. Lee's tone on Badlands "Dusk" CD is AMAZING!!!!

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When I saw Jake live in ~88, his roadie set up a pair of nice vintage amp stacks on the stage. Turned 'em on. Looked glorious. Then he rolled in a JCM900 half stack and put it behind the vintage stacks. He looked at us and smirked.

I bet that super lead sounded awesome on Dusk.
 
V2a":udsv38s0 said:
When I saw Jake live in ~88, his roadie set up a pair of nice vintage amp stacks on the stage. Turned 'em on. Looked glorious. Then he rolled in a JCM900 half stack and put it behind the vintage stacks. He looked at us and smirked.

I bet that super lead sounded awesome on Dusk.

I heard his roadie drove to that '88 gig in a 1990 Toyota Tercel.
 
Chubtone":1k8z781k said:
V2a":1k8z781k said:
When I saw Jake live in ~88, his roadie set up a pair of nice vintage amp stacks on the stage. Turned 'em on. Looked glorious. Then he rolled in a JCM900 half stack and put it behind the vintage stacks. He looked at us and smirked.

I bet that super lead sounded awesome on Dusk.

I heard his roadie drove to that '88 gig in a 1990 Toyota Tercel.

:lol: :LOL: So he used a time machine to go ahead to 1990 to buy a JCM900 and a Tercel...seems like a waste of a time machine LOL.


V2a odds are the amp you saw rolled behind the stacks was his black JCM800 (JCM900s didn't come out 'til 1990). He used to have the stage rig of 3 orange Marshall full stacks and behind it a red JMP 2203 and JCM800 both with Kasha Quickmods as I mentioned that he actually played through.

You can see all the orange full stacks in this vid...

 
yep! Orange stack and a JCM*8*00. The *9* was a typo.

Edit - I have no idea if the concert was in the late 80s or early 90s, either. That's no typo, but rather a bad memory.
 
XSSIVE":16owjc8e said:
V2a odds are the amp you saw rolled behind the stacks was his black JCM800 (JCM900s didn't come out 'til 1990). He used to have the stage rig of 3 orange Marshall full stacks and behind it a red JMP 2203 and JCM800 both with Kasha Quickmods as I mentioned that he actually played through.

Of course there many ways to get that tone, including:
(1) bone stock Super Lead with the right pedals
(2) JCM800 modded for crunchier tone
(3) custom amp

XSSIVE: did the Kasha quick mod add a gain stage?
 
XSSIVE":31k83nae said:
He was using a Kasha Quickmod for a while in the Badlands days with his JCM800 and one with his JMP. Also still using an OD-1 to boost them even more. Wonder if that ended up on Dusk at all? I know that setup was used from '89-'91 as per the rig pics from Young Guitar.

Was that the tube that slots into V2? I can attest to that, had one myself. Def added gain. Throw an OD-1 over top and sends it into double boosted territory. I feel I get very close with a hot humbucker, JCM800 with or without small mods, an OD, then a clean boost for leads. Jake uses more gain for leads live when you listen to him. For his style of play he needed that gain for those runs, saturation, and sustain. A lot of his tricks don't work without the gain.
 
JCM or JMP the tone is raw Marshall in these rehearsal videos from 1989. Jake is F'n LOUD... Tone is good though, raw and growly, I can't believe those are EV12M's that he used. If you watch all the videos from this rehearsal one of the amps(JMP) blows up and he switches to the JCM800.

I really miss this band, they rocked with all their own style...

 
V2a":1frn0db8 said:
XSSIVE":1frn0db8 said:
V2a odds are the amp you saw rolled behind the stacks was his black JCM800 (JCM900s didn't come out 'til 1990). He used to have the stage rig of 3 orange Marshall full stacks and behind it a red JMP 2203 and JCM800 both with Kasha Quickmods as I mentioned that he actually played through.

Of course there many ways to get that tone, including:
(1) bone stock Super Lead with the right pedals
(2) JCM800 modded for crunchier tone
(3) custom amp

XSSIVE: did the Kasha quick mod add a gain stage?

Yeah the Kasha adds a 12AX7 gain stage.


Kapo_Polenton":1frn0db8 said:
XSSIVE":1frn0db8 said:
He was using a Kasha Quickmod for a while in the Badlands days with his JCM800 and one with his JMP. Also still using an OD-1 to boost them even more. Wonder if that ended up on Dusk at all? I know that setup was used from '89-'91 as per the rig pics from Young Guitar.

Was that the tube that slots into V2? I can attest to that, had one myself. Def added gain. Throw an OD-1 over top and sends it into double boosted territory. I feel I get very close with a hot humbucker, JCM800 with or without small mods, an OD, then a clean boost for leads. Jake uses more gain for leads live when you listen to him. For his style of play he needed that gain for those runs, saturation, and sustain. A lot of his tricks don't work without the gain.

Yup, it's the one that going into V2 and adds another 12AX7 gain stage. I really want to try on with my stock '79 JMP.

Here's a scan from Young Guitar. These pics were taken in Japan I assume so he didn't have the 3 orange Marshall full stacks (with the "If it's too loud, you're too F**king old" sticker on one cab) that he can be seen using live in all the USA based vids and in the studio pics and just had a wall of black Marshall cabs behind him.

JakeELee_Badlands.jpg
 
Badlands and Blue Murder are two of my favorite bands from that era!

I miss those bands so much.
 
Love the bass tones on Dusk! :thumbsup: Jake's "Charvel" is actually a Fender Stratocaster with a Charvel logo.
 
Hi to all,

Glad to know, that there's a lot of people, who love "Dusk" album which is actually my favorite one recorded by Badlands... Because of many reasons: "dark" vibe, live recording, great sound especially Jeff Martin's drums which sound not so powerful on the previous album, and of course Jake's tone is also notable. I read an interview at Dinosaur rock resource where Jake said that he didn't use his regular equipment during the demo recording session, so we can't probably suppose that it was some of his Marshalls.

And here's my attempt to nail a song from "Dusk" called "Ride the Jack"... Hope I got quite close to that tone which is really adorable!



Hope you'll enjoy,
thanks!
 
n1kk":2a907mt6 said:
Hi to all,

Glad to know, that there's a lot of people, who love "Dusk" album which is actually my favorite one recorded by Badlands... Because of many reasons: "dark" vibe, live recording, great sound especially Jeff Martin's drums which sound not so powerful on the previous album, and of course Jake's tone is also notable. I read an interview at Dinosaur rock resource where Jake said that he didn't use his regular equipment during the demo recording session, so we can't probably suppose that it was some of his Marshalls.

And here's my attempt to nail a song from "Dusk" called "Ride the Jack"... Hope I got quite close to that tone which is really adorable!



Hope you'll enjoy,
thanks!

Sounds bitchin, what was the setup there? amp? pedals? JB in bridge?
 
Kapo_Polenton, hi,

Yes, you're right about JB in bridge position. Then the sound chain goes: Yerasov TS-1 (Tubescreamer clone) → Yerasov Detonator 100 amp → Yerasov Bull 412 cabinet → Shure SM57 → E-mu Creative 1616m PCIe.


Sorry, I was wrong with Jake's setup for "Dusk" sessions. He didn't mention an exact model of the amp he used, but he said that the cab was in a small closet-sized room which is just for isolation during the live work on studio with drums and bass. He used to record the guitar parts for the album in a larger room with multiple microphones.
 
Didn't know this existed... Love the other two records! Thanks Ill be getting this!!
 
Greg C. covers The River on his solo album. A must for Dusk fans IMO.
 
racer_j":2rvu3vpx said:
Some tidbits about the album Dusk, by Jeff Martin, from the RacerX message board.

http://racerx.edutom.co.uk/board/viewto ... hilit=dusk

Talk about the recording of Dusk


Jeff Martin writes:

Dusk, or the tunes put on the album, were intended as demos for the next Badlands album after Voo Doo Hwy. We had worked up that group of tunes at rehearsals at Mates in North Hollywood two months before recording them at Good Night L.A by a friend of Ray's, Shea Baby.

It's all 24 track full studio recording, but we did it all in less than 6 to 8 hours. We put the Mic's up, made sure they worked and Go! We recorded them primarily for Atlantic Records to hear and give us a budget for the full recording of the same tunes, if they liked what we had. They did not like the direction of the songs, for what ever the reason. Some months later we were dropped from Atlantic.

At the time we were happy with that outcome and so was the Management, being that Atlantic was not doing anything for us anyway. We shopped new prospects.

Almost every song was one-take recordings. I remember having floor Tom mic problems where we stopped to fix it, then restarted a song. But all in all, one takes. Even some endings were a little funky on my end, but Jake just flagged it off and we go to the next tune. I think Jake is the only one who did not make one mistake...if he did I did not hear it.

Ray had about 50% of his lyrics together. The rest were what he called Jib-A-Jab. He would put a word or two on the front of a line and rest were all vowels. He was amazing at it, and most folks never could tell the difference. He would come up with his melody line by Jib-A-Jabbing. I think he had a harder time finding lyrics that fit his Jabbing, due to the timing and the percussive hooks he would come up with while scatting along.

Nothing on Dusk was fixed, that Ray did, obviously due to his passing before the putting together of the tracks. For him to sound like what you hear on the album one take each tune, still amazes me to no end. He was one you could say had true talent, pitch and tone.




Why did you record Dusk "live"??

If you wanted to hear what Badlands sounded like in room, where you could just sit and watch. No mirrors, no smoke, no Bullshit. That is Dusk.

The best thing we did together was play. The biz end and all that comes with it, was the hard part. I have a recording of a Radio show around Seattle called Bob's Garage where we actually set up in this guy's garage. We played a few tunes and then did an interview. I had come across that tape a few years back and it's so tight and squeaky, it hurts. Both tunes were our jamming tunes...that anything go's. It was banging. I do believe Bob's Garage was used to weed out false musicians and bands. We passed with flying colors.

If you got another deal....would you have released Dusk as is? made fixes or re-record all the songs and make a "real" album??

It would have been all re-recorded at a huge amount of money. Most likely with changes in the songs and different songs. Atlantic, or the person we had to deal with, Jason Flom, like to get his mitts on tunes and fuck with them. Jake would not have any of that kind of Crap....one of the things I liked about him! Most likely why Atlantic jerked us around, we would not try to fit in to what ever band just made them alot of money and they thought it would be a good idea to follow........ but who know for sure.


One thing I must comment about Dusk is a vision I see in my mind every time some brings up the project or I listen to it myself.

During the begining of the song Sun Red Sun, while Jake was doing the intro, I could see Ray in the Vocal booth through a glass partition sitting on a stool giving me that charismatic smile of his. His arm held out in front of him and running his index finger back and forth across ten or twelve thin silver Indian bracelets he always wore.

That's the chimes you hear in the track.
Bump for a cool old thread. Was listening to Dusk the other day..what a cool raw disc. I have a 74 Superlead coming, been thinking about a Kasha QMIII to add 2 more gain stages to it without modding. Seems Jake used one years ago too....
 
Racerxrated":1lgbuw8a said:
racer_j":1lgbuw8a said:
Some tidbits about the album Dusk, by Jeff Martin, from the RacerX message board.

http://racerx.edutom.co.uk/board/viewto ... hilit=dusk

Talk about the recording of Dusk


Jeff Martin writes:

Dusk, or the tunes put on the album, were intended as demos for the next Badlands album after Voo Doo Hwy. We had worked up that group of tunes at rehearsals at Mates in North Hollywood two months before recording them at Good Night L.A by a friend of Ray's, Shea Baby.

It's all 24 track full studio recording, but we did it all in less than 6 to 8 hours. We put the Mic's up, made sure they worked and Go! We recorded them primarily for Atlantic Records to hear and give us a budget for the full recording of the same tunes, if they liked what we had. They did not like the direction of the songs, for what ever the reason. Some months later we were dropped from Atlantic.

At the time we were happy with that outcome and so was the Management, being that Atlantic was not doing anything for us anyway. We shopped new prospects.

Almost every song was one-take recordings. I remember having floor Tom mic problems where we stopped to fix it, then restarted a song. But all in all, one takes. Even some endings were a little funky on my end, but Jake just flagged it off and we go to the next tune. I think Jake is the only one who did not make one mistake...if he did I did not hear it.

Ray had about 50% of his lyrics together. The rest were what he called Jib-A-Jab. He would put a word or two on the front of a line and rest were all vowels. He was amazing at it, and most folks never could tell the difference. He would come up with his melody line by Jib-A-Jabbing. I think he had a harder time finding lyrics that fit his Jabbing, due to the timing and the percussive hooks he would come up with while scatting along.

Nothing on Dusk was fixed, that Ray did, obviously due to his passing before the putting together of the tracks. For him to sound like what you hear on the album one take each tune, still amazes me to no end. He was one you could say had true talent, pitch and tone.




Why did you record Dusk "live"??

If you wanted to hear what Badlands sounded like in room, where you could just sit and watch. No mirrors, no smoke, no Bullshit. That is Dusk.

The best thing we did together was play. The biz end and all that comes with it, was the hard part. I have a recording of a Radio show around Seattle called Bob's Garage where we actually set up in this guy's garage. We played a few tunes and then did an interview. I had come across that tape a few years back and it's so tight and squeaky, it hurts. Both tunes were our jamming tunes...that anything go's. It was banging. I do believe Bob's Garage was used to weed out false musicians and bands. We passed with flying colors.

If you got another deal....would you have released Dusk as is? made fixes or re-record all the songs and make a "real" album??

It would have been all re-recorded at a huge amount of money. Most likely with changes in the songs and different songs. Atlantic, or the person we had to deal with, Jason Flom, like to get his mitts on tunes and fuck with them. Jake would not have any of that kind of Crap....one of the things I liked about him! Most likely why Atlantic jerked us around, we would not try to fit in to what ever band just made them alot of money and they thought it would be a good idea to follow........ but who know for sure.


One thing I must comment about Dusk is a vision I see in my mind every time some brings up the project or I listen to it myself.

During the begining of the song Sun Red Sun, while Jake was doing the intro, I could see Ray in the Vocal booth through a glass partition sitting on a stool giving me that charismatic smile of his. His arm held out in front of him and running his index finger back and forth across ten or twelve thin silver Indian bracelets he always wore.

That's the chimes you hear in the track.
Bump for a cool old thread. Was listening to Dusk the other day..what a cool raw disc. I have a 74 Superlead coming, been thinking about a Kasha QMIII to add 2 more gain stages to it without modding. Seems Jake used one years ago too....

Would this be the '74 that was on Chicago CL? If so, thank you. Saves me from making a decision!
 
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