Journey was killer…

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IMO they "became" Yacht Rock but Infinity, Evolution and Departure (IMO Neals best work) is vastly different from albums like Frontiers, Raised on Radio etc...

Escape, their first album with Cain has some great rock stuff like Lay it Down, Dead or Alive, Stone in Love, and stuff outside the box like Mother, Father. It's kinda of the bridge album to them becoming and overtly commercial pop band. Open Arms and even Don't Stop is as Yacht Rock as you can get. And why I was done with them after that album. I hate Frontiers and if I never hear Separate Ways again, life will be good.

Problem with Journey is after Gregg left, Perry took over and eventually pushed their manager Herbie Herbert out. Herbie relied on Gregg as the defacto leader. Further Herbie never wanted the band to go in the pop direction because like he said, once you put yourself in that category then you're always chasing the next hit. And he was right, they became watered down radio mush. Herbert was a brilliant manager, he created the band a company which handled all their merch, licensing i.e. basically anything where the band made money. And which Neal, Cain, Valory and Smith all started suing each other for several years back. Herbie also started the first video boards for bands in concert and for awhile owned the largest video board company in the rock business until he sold it before he passed. In fact most concerts fans saw in the 90's and early 2000's with video screens, that was his company. There's a couple of old interviews with Herbie out there where he basically just peels the lid off everything. Needless to say he didn't have much good to say about Perry and especially Cain. I do think he and Perry reconciled before he passed as Herbie was at the RNR Hall of Fame induction. Crazy because he basically saved Perry from a life on a chicken farm that his family owned and told the band, this is your lead singer, deal with it. And removed Robert Fleischman the original singer who would go on to Vinnie Vincent fame or infamy lol.

A great story about Jon Cain - he was in The Baby's who were opening for Journey. Rolie went to Herbie and told him that Cain should be his replacement. So as a favor to Rolie he agreed. Cain flew in from England to take the job and as he stepped into Herbie's car he told him, you either get my wife a record deal or I'm walking. Herbie had stated he should have left him at the airport but he agreed and from that point on Cain was a headache. So few months later Escape comes out, big hit album and Perry in interviews is taking all the accolades for the music and writing on the album and minimizing Cain's contributions. To the point in one live interview that Cain left the room crying because he wasn't getting any credit. Herbert goes up to Cain while he's crying and humbled and say's, now you know what it's like to meet a bigger asshole than you. Lol.

Journey is an interesting band as there are four distinct versions - the original jam band which I have come to appreciate more through the years. The rock band which I love - Infinity to Captured. The pop Yacht Rock band which I have no use for. And lastly the touring band that sues the shit out of each other, even in the middle of a tour.
I did not hear this before but I am not surprised. Money and fame breed all kinds of things mostly not good. It's funny it is usually Perry who comes out smelling like a rose. Rock and roll is a vicious game !!
 
Im not a fan of Arnell. I can appreciate what he's trying to do but he's no S. Perry.
 
I did not hear this before but I am not surprised. Money and fame breed all kinds of things mostly not good. It's funny it is usually Perry who comes out smelling like a rose. Rock and roll is a vicious game !!
Yep, per Herbie he became a terror once success came.

By the time they hit Raised on Radio Perry had removed Valory, removed Smith who it apparently messed with his head so much he went to counseling. I mean Steve Smith is a world class drummer. Took control of production and then had Herbie, the guy that discovered him removed.

Perry got humbled eventually when he lost his voice. And in interviews and stuff with him over the later years he seems to have been remorseful for being a dick. He still has his hand in Journey monetarily and they still have to have his approval for certain things...something like that.
 


I had an outta body experience first time i heard this.
Journey is on my Pandora i listen both at home & while working pretty much everyday.
Nobody writes music like this now at all whereas in 1978 100's did.

I was in a foreign land far away and never heard that tune. Fuck me runnin. That was smokin.
All I ever hear was radio pop chick music from them.
That was a total shocker.
 
I was in a foreign land far away and never heard that tune. Fuck me runnin. That was smokin.
All I ever hear was radio pop chick music from them.
That was a total shocker.

They threw down back in the day. These links will take you to the complete playlist for each album.

First three albums. No Steve Perry.

First album, Journey:



Second album, Look into the Future:



Third album, Next:



Perry first shows up on Infinity, the fourth album:

 
I was in a foreign land far away and never heard that tune. Fuck me runnin. That was smokin.
All I ever hear was radio pop chick music from them.
That was a total shocker.
"Absolutely killer live performance in 1978 with classic Journey lineup. Special guest players, including Albert King, appear around 22:00 into the show, and perform a blistering Chicago Blues number. Neil Schon puts on a rock guitar clinic with his black Les Paul Standard."
https://www.lespaulforum.com/index....ial-guest-albert-king-w-lucy-flying-v.217751/




Sammy Hagar with Neal Schon sitting in. Rock Candy - 5/19/1978 - Winterland



Early live Journey gigs:

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=journey+live+1975
 
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Yep. Neal's cool.
No he is a total dick. Great guitar player but total asshole. Here I am at NAMM riding the Elevator up to my room at the Hilton and Neal and Dean Castronovo riding up. I make conversation about seeing Neal with Santana at 16 and one of his first gigs with Santana at Foothill College on the lawn. Free and not announced. He killed. Santana three was not out but they played all that stuff.. 50 people there and no stage just the lawn and you and the band. Killer. His comment? None he looked at me like he was offended. Dean was cool and engaged but not neil

Contrast that with SRV who in 1983 asked me to take him to a restaurant to grab a burger and never met me in his life, very different guys.
 
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No he is a total dick. Great guitar player but total asshole. Here I am at NAMM riding the Elevator up to my room at the Hilton and Neal and Dean Castronovo riding up. I make conversation about seeing Neal with Santana at 16 and one of his first gigs with Santana at Foothill College on the lawn. Free and not announced. He killed. Santana three was not out but they played all that stuff.. 50 people there and no stage just the lawn and you and the band. Killer. His comment? None he looked at me like he was offended. Dean was cool and engaged but not neil

Contrast that with SRV who in 1983 asked me to take him to a restaurant to grab a burger and never met me in his life, very different guys.

I've had days where I was a total dick. Some of my friends are friends with Neal. He's cool in my book.
 
Some of my friends are friends with Neal. He's cool in my
I've had days where I was a total dick. Some of my friends are friends with Neal. He's cool in my b

I've had days where I was a total dick. Some of my friends are friends with Neal. He's cool in my book.
I get that. I respect him as a musician and was a fan until he treated me like shit and then said possibly the rudest shit ever to a friend of mine and his wife at NAMM upon meeting them. I don’t give a shit about him but am glad he is still playing and making money and good to hear he may have changed his ways.
 
I get that. I respect him as a musician and was a fan until he treated me like shit and then said possibly the rudest shit ever to a friend of mine and his wife at NAMM upon meeting them. I don’t give a shit about him but am glad he is still playing and making money and good to hear he may have changed his ways.

My son in law is good friends with someone in a very popular band. He and my daughter have attended many of their concerts watching from the side of the stage. Another member of that band has been very rude to them on more than one occasion.
 
My friend Ronni and Neal Schon of Journey in Germany to play together for Crate Amps. That $12,000 guitar had JUST be delivered to Neal at the booth by the builder and he told Ronni to try it out. She pulled out her can of Fingerease and must've sprayed 1/3 of a can of it on the guitar as Neal looked on in horror! Hilarious.
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