Just got a used Herbert and need some help with a problem.

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So today I got my Herbert that I traded for my ENGL SE. I plug in the cabs, and my Les Paul and straight away I have issues.

The channel volumes on channels 2 and 3 are not doing what they are supposed to. When I have the channel volume midway (12:00) the sound is thin, when I turn it to the left it gets thicker and louder and when I turn it to the right (from 12:00) it gets louder but more trebly. Also while playing I get volume swells and drops and strange sounds.

Any ideas? :(
 
Maybe some bad tubes. how old are the power tubes in it? Is the clean working fine?? May just be a bad preamp tube then. if the clean sounds thin too then u prob need to change ur power tubes. how old are they?? They are usually the culprit to things like this. :doh:
 
The clean channel is working fine. No idea how old the tubes are.


I am using an ENGL Pro 4x12 and a Genz G Flex 4x12. Not sure how a cab could cause that particular issue.
 
if ur clean is working fine & the power tubes arent any funky color, try swapping out some preamp tubes.
 
If it's just bad tubes I will be very happy I suppose.

Honestly, the power tubes look very old, and are Chinese made, brandless tubes.
I am not opposed to re-tubing the entire amp, but I would hate to do so and find out the amp has an underlying issue.

Disappointing day. Hopefully I can get something figured out. I guess I will start troubleshooting the preamp tubes.

Thanks for the advice! :)
 
If the tubes look old, i would change em. The Herbert should knock u on ur ass from the get go. I had 2 bad tubes one time & it still sounded awesome. If i were you i would start fresh with new pres & power tubes..then you know they are new. If you have any other issues with it after tubes (which is generally the issue ) i would contact Terry (Duolos) on the board here & he will take great care of you. hope it all works out for ya! :thumbsup:
 
Let me say, it sounds fucking wicked and it's loud enough to make my ears bleed. No complaints on the sound, just on the particular issue.

Thanks again man. Now I need to figure out what direction to go concerning tubes. KT88's seem awful tempting for the power section.

What do you suggest in the preamp?
 
Is the amp new or used ?

Where does it come from ?

Thanks,

Peter
 
Youre problem will be sorted out, no worries. :thumbsup:

I still have my SE. Both great amps. I have it for sale/trade, but only for a good price/amp. i would like to trade the SE for a VH4 or a mark4 but i cant justify having two amps in that price range. I have both together for a year now and its great to have two totally different amps. But in the end you only play just one amp. I also have a issue with the herbert (i think tube related) so i have the SE to rip on. :rock:

Enjoy youre diezel tone man, give the amp a couple of weeks and you will hear.
 
SwampDonkey":1b9ch53v said:
So today I got my Herbert that I traded for my ENGL SE. I plug in the cabs, and my Les Paul and straight away I have issues.

The channel volumes on channels 2 and 3 are not doing what they are supposed to. When I have the channel volume midway (12:00) the sound is thin, when I turn it to the left it gets thicker and louder and when I turn it to the right (from 12:00) it gets louder but more trebly. Also while playing I get volume swells and drops and strange sounds.

Any ideas? :(

First off, I would never buy a used amp without checking the bias and having a look at the tubes. Then I would probably change them out fairly quickly, just for shits and giggles - unless it came from someone I knew who took care of it and these things.

The first part of your question is just getting familiar with the amp and what it will do. If you give a hint of what you like to play, some of us may be able to give you some settings across the channels. I don't use channel 1, so no help there. But, two and three I can.

Use the mid-cut as to me, this makes the Herbie what it is (personal opinion before anyone jumps on me). Without it, I wouldn't have any need for the amp. It is always on.

Using V2 will also give you some more EQ control at the power amp stage, which is huge, especially when you get some respectable volumes going.

When you adjust the channel volumes, the tone will vary, depending on where you are on your master. To start you off, kick the gains up to 1:00 and the volumes up around the same on each channel. Use the master at a lower level to help saturate the power end.

I usually run my channel mids all the way off and the treble up fairly high. I am scooped..... :D

For your volume swell problem, that certainly isn't right. You could spend some time on each channel to see if the swell is there across all channels and narrow it down to a particular pre-amp tube or two. Or, it could be the phase inverter tube (the last pre amp tube). Or, just bight the bullet and replace them all. In a pinch, most any 12AX7 will do. When you are ready to experiment with tone, there are lots of different choices. If the problem was across all channels, then V1 preamp tube may be the culprit. With 6 power tubes, I doubt one bad one would affect the amp in volume or tone unless you were really used to the amp. Although, you may get some other unpleasant noise along with it. But, you should pull the grill off with the amp on and make sure all the power tubes are glowing as they should, and none with any really red glow on the glass or any that look weak. You can replace Herbies tubes in matched sets. Maybe you should grab a matched set of 34's just to replace and experiment with before laying out a few bills on a sextet of 88's.

99% of the problems can be corrected here with the tubes. Not to say that it couldn't be something else. But, I doubt it.

The Herbert is a very easy amp to dial in and sound good once you know your way around it a bit. You can find lots of help and opinions here. Any problems, just ask!

Steve
 
Damn, all this Herbie chatter got me in the mood to make some real noise.

Had to set some stuff up since my giglette last weekend. The wife's working, neighbors are gone...perfect combination for cranking it up! Put a gate in front of the amp on channel 3 dimed with the master about 10:00 and let her rip through about 2 hours of nothing but Metallica :rock:

What, huh, can't hear ya? :lol: :LOL: :lol: :LOL:

Steve
 
Peter Diezel":17vzhkzb said:
Is the amp new or used ?

Where does it come from ?

Thanks,

Peter

Hi Peter,

It is used. It came from a guy on the Harmony Central forums who lives in Portland Oregon.

Thanks,
Brian
 
Steve,

Thanks for the advice. The amp was halfway across the US from me, so trying it out first was not an option.

Getting my sound dialed in is not the issue either. The problem is simply as described above, and it does it on 2 of the 3 channels.

I am going to try switching some 12ax7's around when I get home this evening to try and narrow the problem, though I intend to re-tube the whole amp anyway since the current tubes look like they have been there a good long while.
 
SwampDonkey":2jhge5qx said:
Steve,

Thanks for the advice. The amp was halfway across the US from me, so trying it out first was not an option.

Getting my sound dialed in is not the issue either. The problem is simply as described above, and it does it on 2 of the 3 channels.

I am going to try switching some 12ax7's around when I get home this evening to try and narrow the problem, though I intend to re-tube the whole amp anyway since the current tubes look like they have been there a good long while.

Which two channels? This will narrow down your problem.

Steve
 
steve_k":2g5fto6j said:
SwampDonkey":2g5fto6j said:
Steve,

Thanks for the advice. The amp was halfway across the US from me, so trying it out first was not an option.

Getting my sound dialed in is not the issue either. The problem is simply as described above, and it does it on 2 of the 3 channels.

I am going to try switching some 12ax7's around when I get home this evening to try and narrow the problem, though I intend to re-tube the whole amp anyway since the current tubes look like they have been there a good long while.

Which two channels? This will narrow down your problem.

Steve

Both gain channels. 2&3
 
If it´s used we don´t know if somebody made some "mods".

Maybe it would good to involve Terry at Diezel USA.
 
SwampDonkey":3zs81w2h said:
steve_k":3zs81w2h said:
SwampDonkey":3zs81w2h said:
Steve,

Thanks for the advice. The amp was halfway across the US from me, so trying it out first was not an option.

Getting my sound dialed in is not the issue either. The problem is simply as described above, and it does it on 2 of the 3 channels.

I am going to try switching some 12ax7's around when I get home this evening to try and narrow the problem, though I intend to re-tube the whole amp anyway since the current tubes look like they have been there a good long while.

Which two channels? This will narrow down your problem.

Steve

Both gain channels. 2&3

Being the amateur I am and work by trial and error, it could be V1 or V3 since it is on Ch2 and Ch3 as V2 is just for Ch3 only. If you don't have any other tubes handy, pull V4 (leave it out) and put it in V1, turn the amp on and give it a whirl. If no change, then put the old V1 back in its place and use the V4 tube in the V3 spot. See what results you get.

Meanwhile, as Peter says, give Terry a call too at the Diezel USA HQ / 770-778-3456.

Steve
 
steve_k":3nablqoa said:
Being the amateur I am and work by trial and error, it could be V1 or V3 since it is on Ch2 and Ch3 as V2 is just for Ch3 only. If you don't have any other tubes handy, pull V4 (leave it out) and put it in V1, turn the amp on and give it a whirl. If no change, then put the old V1 back in its place and use the V4 tube in the V3 spot. See what results you get.

Meanwhile, as Peter says, give Terry a call too at the Diezel USA HQ / 770-778-3456.

Steve

So I did exactly as you described, and I ended up with the volume on channel 3 not functioning at all. Same result with the V4 tube in the V1 V2 and the V3 slot. After the tubes got good and hot I started to get sound fluctuation, where it would almost drop out completely.

I am going to do a full re-tube just as soon as I can get some tubes delivered, since the local market here sucks completely.
 
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