Kahler trems

[CoachZ]

Has anybody tried Kahler trems? They aren't mentioned much and I know that Jeff Hanneman has them on his ESP signatures. Do they offer similar features to say a Floyd Rose with the ability to raise or lower pitch?

 

[Sixstring]

Has anybody tried Kahler trems? They aren't mentioned much and I know that Jeff Hanneman has them on his ESP signatures. Do they offer similar features to say a Floyd Rose with the ability to raise or lower pitch?

I had one on an old Washburn stage series and it seem to work just fine. I think quite a few people didn't like them because they tend to somewhat kill your sustain by virtue of their deign, nit picking for sure but it does happen.

 

[thiswaythatway]

The old Kahler Steeler works great. That's the one Kahler had to stop making them because Floyd sued Kahler. Funny how lots of guys rag on Fender and Gibson for sueing everyone but some forget about Floyd. It just appears that when a company sues for whatever reason they're evil.

 

[mrp5150]

Has anybody tried Kahler trems? They aren't mentioned much and I know that Jeff Hanneman has them on his ESP signatures. Do they offer similar features to say a Floyd Rose with the ability to raise or lower pitch?

I had one on an old Washburn stage series and it seem to work just fine. I think quite a few people didn't like them because they tend to somewhat kill your sustain by virtue of their deign, nit picking for sure but it does happen.

They're also incredibly ugly looking.

 

[Sixstring]

Has anybody tried Kahler trems? They aren't mentioned much and I know that Jeff Hanneman has them on his ESP signatures. Do they offer similar features to say a Floyd Rose with the ability to raise or lower pitch?

I had one on an old Washburn stage series and it seem to work just fine. I think quite a few people didn't like them because they tend to somewhat kill your sustain by virtue of their deign, nit picking for sure but it does happen.

They're also incredibly ugly looking.

I forgot about that.

 

[tjon]

I wouldnt mind getting one of those kahlers that could go on a les paul without me mutilating it.

 

[supahd]

I have one on a warmoth bolt on, doesn't affect my sustain as far as I can tell.

One of the big differences is that with the standard kahler design when you dive your strings don't go slack. You maintain string height. But yes you can pull up just as far as a floyd can go and the feel is alot smoother.

 

[Chubtone]

Kahler trems were always a deal killer for me back when I was into San Dimas Charvels and Jacksons. So many of those early Charvels had Kahlers on them because Kramer owned Floyd Rose and either didn't want to sell them to Charvel or Charvel didn't want to give money to one of their main competitors. Even today, old Charvels with Kahlers are worth way less than standard bridge or Floyd Rose ones.

I could never jive with the feel of Kahler trems, nevermind the tone which I hated. The Kahler felt disconnected to the guitar, almost like a pitch wheel on a keyboard. A floyd or a standard bridge just feels so much more connected and "in harmony" with the guitar if that makes any sense.

 

[Chubtone]

Oh yeah..... and the strings are literally SAWING on that roller cam on the bridge and wearing grooves into it that lead to way too much string breaking. I remember the other guitarist in my band constantly sanding the cam roller smooth with emery cloth at almost every rehearsal after breaking strings. He used to get so ticked when I would rarely break a string at the bridge of my Floyd and I would just loosen the nut, loosen the tuner a couple of turns, pop the string back in the bridge, lock it tune it and go.

There was a reason Kahler went out of business. Like danyeo said, the Kahler Steeler was very good, but it was a Floyd Rose copy. Notice Floyd Rose never built a Kahler copy?

 

[Code001]

There was a reason Kahler went out of business. Like danyeo said, the Kahler Steeler was very good, but it was a Floyd Rose copy. Notice Floyd Rose never built a Kahler copy?

Kahler is still around...

http://www.kahlerusa.com/

 

[Digital Jams]

There was a reason Kahler went out of business. Like danyeo said, the Kahler Steeler was very good, but it was a Floyd Rose copy. Notice Floyd Rose never built a Kahler copy?

Kahler is still around...

http://www.kahlerusa.com/

Just came back.....they went belly up years ago. The Steeler was the only decent model and as Chub said it was a ripoff like the original edge.

The Spider........oh god

 

[Code001]

But that doesn't change the fact that they're alive now.

 

[Chubtone]

But that doesn't change the fact that they're alive now.

Kahler recently came back into making guitar trems again when they saw what used replacement parts were selling for. That doesn't change the fact that they went out of business because they lost the trem war against Floyd Rose. Kahler has been surviving all these years by making golf clubs. Golf clubs which probably had better tone and sustain than their trems

 

[CoachZ]

But that doesn't change the fact that they're alive now.

Gee, someone looking for an argument? Kahler recently came back into making guitar trems again when they saw what used replacement parts were selling for. That doesn't change the fact that they went out of business because they lost the trem war against Floyd Rose. Kahler has been surviving all these years by making golf clubs. Golf clubs which probably had better tone and sustain than their trems

You never know, they could have improved their products which is why I'm asking

 

[Death by Uberschall]

I have a couple of guitars with them and all I can say is that they are very smooth and easy to bend with. I like my Floyds better, but the Kahler is not a bad trem, just different. Kind of like a Bigsby trem, it has it's place I guess.

 

[Chubtone]

You never know, they could have improved their products which is why I'm asking

The ones I've seen look identical to their older products. I'm just screwing around in this thread. This is a 25 year old argument, which is better Floyd or Kahler. Normally you liked one or the other. I'm just a Floyd guy.

 

[Anonymous]

I'm a Floyd guy, but there are some things I appreciate a Kahler for. It reminds me of the Steinberger TransTrem in feel which gives some unique feel and effect. I dig the Kahler Pro for what it is, but I prefer a Floyd all around.

Steve

 

[CoachZ]

The reason why I had brought this up is because I was nosing around on the Sevenstring.org forums and found about a guitar maker named Halo Guitars and they use Kahlers on their 8 string guitars. I'm not planning on getting one but I just wondered how they are today. I've known about the Spyder and the Steeler. Since I saw it on the Halo Octavia, I was wondering if they have improved in quality or performance.

 

[Gitfiddler]

i've had both kahler that's modeled after the floyd and the ugly one. The floyd-style is fine, but i'm not a fan of the ugly one. The ugly one is fine for a vibrato, but any aggressive whammying will knock the guitar out of tune. Also, the screw-in bar is angled too damn high to where you really can't hold onto it while playing. it's angled too far off the body to where you really have to reach for it to use it

 

[Copperhead]

Kahler recently came back into making guitar trems again when they saw what used replacement parts were selling for. That doesn't change the fact that they went out of business because they lost the trem war against Floyd Rose. Kahler has been surviving all these years by making golf clubs. Golf clubs which probably had better tone and sustain than their trems

I had a Kahler fixed bridge on a Heritage. I always had problems with weird buzzes. I couldn't believe they had to have that many moving parts on a fixed bridge, they had these threaded roller-saddle pieces. I put on a Gotoh tune-o-matic. Way better tone and sustain and no more buzzing.