Kings of Leon - Sex on Fire - New video by Dannycruz

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Klark":1jxnyamp said:
Kiteboarder":1jxnyamp said:
I've tried many different techniques. I know many drummers that are much better than I am. But, there are extremes for everything. Hitting extremely hard is probably not good. And so is hitting extremely soft.

My drum teachers all hit with authority.

I get much better results from the crowd when I wail away and play really physically. Like I said before... People want to see a show. Michael Jordan didn't have to dunk in order to score a basket. Yet, he did. And that made him famous.
Sure, but Michael was a master of the game long before he started putting on a show. You're putting on the show long before being the master. Big difference. No offense to you at all, but if you're going to start offering up free internet drum lessons, I suggest you not take such offense to guys that critique what you're teaching. I watched a couple of your other videos, and you're obviously talented, at rock drumming. Your latin/african video is good, but you sound like a rock drummer trying to play latin. Why? Lack of dynamics. You would much better serve your viewers if you respected the fact that the style of rock drumming is a tiny percentage of the many styles of drumming. And with just about every other style of drumming, hitting at 100% all the time is considered extremely amateur.

I will admit, I'm a little biased, because I've toured with some of the greatest drummers on earth, Kenny Aronoff being one of my favorites. It's well known that A level drummers like him don't hit 100% on every hit because dynamically there's no where else to go, and you kill the tone of what you're hitting. You're much better off staying at 75%.

@ sebby: The reason most engineers and producers ask for the same consistant hit all the time is because if you're band is not an A level artist, he's most likely not making enough money to keep changing gain, compression, and mix levels for the drummer alone. Do you know what it was like to record guys like Ringo or Buddy Rich?? A nightmare.


Can't say I really agree with your overall assesment in all areas. True, dynamics is good, When it calls for dynamics. But some songs are just full on the whole time and thats what it calls for. And also having a drummer hitting the snare consistently doesn't have as much to do with the engineer wanting to be lazy, but more of a sound thing. Not to mention most rock songs then have heavy layers of samples layed on top, with the same, consistant huge hits, which helps give that monstrous sound.

Dynamics is good - when dynamics is called for.


The only time I really hear engineers wish a drummer would lighten up, is live when acousticaly, the natural sound of the kit is outdoing the PA (apart from artistic reasons such as planned dynamics of course). If it fits the genre, then by all means, smash em :thumbsup:
 
Kiteboarder":1hkbphhs said:
Klark, I don't take offense. You're entitled to your opinion. Plus, you drove your point across respectfully. I appreciate that.

Anyway, I'm latin by the way.... Puerto Rican. Can I play good latin music with a good latin feel? No! Dunno why either! Haha.

I used to aim to be a master. Not so much anymore. I've got a bunch more things to worry about now. Will I ever become a master? Probably not. I don't have 8 hours a day to practice drumming (or guitar) anymore. So... I'm just riding now. Let's see how it goes.

Thanks everybody. :)

I play in church too. And there I hit softly. So, I can hit softly if necessary.
Don't feel bad, I can only play rock. When I try to play country, jazz, or anything else, it sounds like I have mittens on. lol

And you don't need 8 hours a day to practice - I think you've got all the basics down rather nicely. You probably just need to play as much as possible to fine tune what you already know!
 
Audioholic":1ewhp2tj said:
Klark":1ewhp2tj said:
Kiteboarder":1ewhp2tj said:
I've tried many different techniques. I know many drummers that are much better than I am. But, there are extremes for everything. Hitting extremely hard is probably not good. And so is hitting extremely soft.

My drum teachers all hit with authority.

I get much better results from the crowd when I wail away and play really physically. Like I said before... People want to see a show. Michael Jordan didn't have to dunk in order to score a basket. Yet, he did. And that made him famous.
Sure, but Michael was a master of the game long before he started putting on a show. You're putting on the show long before being the master. Big difference. No offense to you at all, but if you're going to start offering up free internet drum lessons, I suggest you not take such offense to guys that critique what you're teaching. I watched a couple of your other videos, and you're obviously talented, at rock drumming. Your latin/african video is good, but you sound like a rock drummer trying to play latin. Why? Lack of dynamics. You would much better serve your viewers if you respected the fact that the style of rock drumming is a tiny percentage of the many styles of drumming. And with just about every other style of drumming, hitting at 100% all the time is considered extremely amateur.

I will admit, I'm a little biased, because I've toured with some of the greatest drummers on earth, Kenny Aronoff being one of my favorites. It's well known that A level drummers like him don't hit 100% on every hit because dynamically there's no where else to go, and you kill the tone of what you're hitting. You're much better off staying at 75%.

@ sebby: The reason most engineers and producers ask for the same consistant hit all the time is because if you're band is not an A level artist, he's most likely not making enough money to keep changing gain, compression, and mix levels for the drummer alone. Do you know what it was like to record guys like Ringo or Buddy Rich?? A nightmare.


Can't say I really agree with your overall assesment in all areas. True, dynamics is good, When it calls for dynamics. But some songs are just full on the whole time and thats what it calls for. And also having a drummer hitting the snare consistently doesn't have as much to do with the engineer wanting to be lazy, but more of a sound thing. Not to mention most rock songs then have heavy layers of samples layed on top, with the same, consistant huge hits, which helps give that monstrous sound.

Dynamics is good - when dynamics is called for.


The only time I really hear engineers wish a drummer would lighten up, is live when acousticaly, the natural sound of the kit is outdoing the PA (apart from artistic reasons such as planned dynamics of course). If it fits the genre, then by all means, smash em :thumbsup:

A big +1 I was about to post the same.
 
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