Lets talk about something we can all agree on......

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The~Kid said:
Regarding FTL or sub light speed which is more plausible than FTL IMO given conventional physics but who knows what the effects would be on biology and the mind too.

I wouldn't be surprised if it just wasn't possible for biological life forms to travel at sub light or FTL at all or without some other way to work around possible problems that may come from such speed and mode of travel.


@NowYou'rePlayingWithPower also never really looked at the double slit experiment being applied on a cosmic level like that but if you did apply it, it kind of gives a bit more insight on multiverse too. There is a lot to support multiverse IMO especially given the uniformity of the universe, expansion and overall structure and topography as well as other factors.


Double slit applied on a bigger cosmic level sounds pretty crazy but it kind of opens the door to possibly help better explain and understand Multiverse Theory. Like maybe it's not even Multiple Universes even though it seems like it and it's the same universe but just split up into different probabilities and possibilities.........
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Definitely a lot of things to consider. Try this on if you're interested; Relativistic energy. At what point does it become so great that an object containing mass collapses on itself? Likely well before light speed is attained. What would be the aftermath? An unnatural black hole, perhaps? Personally don't see ways of traveling through the physical universe at great distances in short time. Re the OP, if they're extraterrestrial, they probably didn't travel through physical space to get here. Unless they happen to be hiding out in our solar system. Though suppose it's possible that they're not organisms, either. Which could open up the ability to travel long distances, but not necessarily at great speed.
 
NowYou'rePlayingWithPower said:
Escaping gravity might be the only way to deal with physical space travel over long distances (think letting something come to you instead of going to it). Given we are traveling through the universe at 1.3 million miles an hour; if you could remain stationary without the effects of gravity it would take about 3 days to travel to the Sun from Earth if you left the planet when it's aligned with the sun and the center of the universe at it's farthest point to where we are expanding. Light speed through the physical 3d universe is just not happening, imo. Think of colliding with a spec of dust at that speed, even if you could get to that speed. Megatons of equivalent energy minimal on impact. Not to mention that something physical traveling at that speed would have a mass that would change orbits of galaxies. Likely even ripping them apart.

Guessing they're from here or have found a way to escape this dimension. Time travel is a possibility, but even then you aren't just traveling through time, but the earth is 1.3 million miles from where it was an hour ago, so you're still traveling through space. Nanotechnology is a thought I've had where a near light speed signal might be capable of manipulating particles into complex physical forms from light years away, possibly even intelligent self aware consciousness. Lots of strangeness and thought experiments.

What's interesting is if you're familiar with the double-slit experiment that if you take that to a larger scale, say millions of light years in length than when you observe it you are changing the past millions of years ago. If you move that to more complex variants of the experiment/idea, perhaps it's possible to manufacture things in the present observation from lesser resources of the past. In a sense, perpetual energy. Which would be needed for probably any form of vast interstellar or interdimensional travel.

It all goes back to the idea of whatever they are; I personally don't feel that they are traveling long distances through space to get here even if they are from long distances away.
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Gravity is unavoidable.
F=(GMm)/r² as r > 0 always.
 
NowYou'rePlayingWithPower said:
Escaping gravity might be the only way to deal with physical space travel over long distances (think letting something come to you instead of going to it). Given we are traveling through the universe at 1.3 million miles an hour; if you could remain stationary without the effects of gravity it would take about 3 days to travel to the Sun from Earth if you left the planet when it's aligned with the sun and the center of the universe at it's farthest point to where we are expanding. Light speed through the physical 3d universe is just not happening, imo. Think of colliding with a spec of dust at that speed, even if you could get to that speed. Megatons of equivalent energy minimal on impact. Not to mention that something physical traveling at that speed would have a mass that would change orbits of galaxies. Likely even ripping them apart.

Guessing they're from here or have found a way to escape this dimension. Time travel is a possibility, but even then you aren't just traveling through time, but the earth is 1.3 million miles from where it was an hour ago, so you're still traveling through space. Nanotechnology is a thought I've had where a near light speed signal might be capable of manipulating particles into complex physical forms from light years away, possibly even intelligent self aware consciousness. Lots of strangeness and thought experiments.

What's interesting is if you're familiar with the double-slit experiment that if you take that to a larger scale, say millions of light years in length than when you observe it you are changing the past millions of years ago. If you move that to more complex variants of the experiment/idea, perhaps it's possible to manufacture things in the present observation from lesser resources of the past. In a sense, perpetual energy. Which would be needed for probably any form of vast interstellar or interdimensional travel.

It all goes back to the idea of whatever they are; I personally don't feel that they are traveling long distances through space to get here even if they are from long distances away.
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Good points.

And you brought up a doosie....travel at warp speed....I always laugh at the thought that in the movies/tv series they can somehow fly a spaceship at warp blindly through whatever was in the way....asteroids, planets, etc....not going to work very well in real life.

Wormholes, portals, whatever you want to call it.....seem like the best way to get from place to place in the universe.
 
thegame said:
Manmade beyond top secret technology. Sightings/reports in the 1940's and 1950's were basically about little more than 'flying discs'. Almost always boring old silver saucers. As our technology (and imaginations, fueled by Hollywood's bombardment of special effects heavy sci fi movies) progressed, the "aliens" tech seemed to progress in lockstep with new reports of 'morphing craft changing shape, etc".

As a kid in the early 80's I read a ton of UFO books published in the 60's/70's. NONE of them had reports/stories of anything like we've been accustomed to since the early 90's dawn of the internet age.
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Well thre are ancient depictions of? Aliens? All over the planet. There are documented events from ancient times as well. I think these things have been here for a very very long time.

Perhaps they are calling their buddies up now, to come look at the freakshow we have created here????
 
67mike said:
Good points.

And you brought up a doosie....travel at warp speed....I always laugh at the thought that in the movies/tv series they can somehow fly a spaceship at warp blindly through whatever was in the way....asteroids, planets, etc....not going to work very well in real life.

Wormholes, portals, whatever you want to call it.....seem like the best way to get from place to place in the universe.
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The funny thing is that the idea of a transporter type device might not be far off of a means of transportation, either. The main issue with that I feel is wavelengths would have to be smaller than gamma rays for very long distances, but who knows. That gets into a whole other subject of quantum mechanics, but probably a relevant one if traveling through physical space is a thing.
 
TheBiggestJerk said:
Seriously time to bone up on conservation of momentum and basic Newtonian macro physics.
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Not sure who you believe that it is that you're talking to, but okay I will try my best to understand.
 
The~Kid said:
Regarding FTL or sub light speed which is more plausible than FTL IMO given conventional physics but who knows what the effects would be on biology and the mind too.

I wouldn't be surprised if it just wasn't possible for biological life forms to travel at sub light or FTL at all or without some other way to work around possible problems that may come from such speed and mode of travel.


@NowYou'rePlayingWithPower also never really looked at the double slit experiment being applied on a cosmic level like that but if you did apply it, it kind of gives a bit more insight on multiverse too. There is a lot to support multiverse IMO especially given the uniformity of the universe, expansion and overall structure and topography as well as other factors.


Double slit applied on a bigger cosmic level sounds pretty crazy but it kind of opens the door to possibly help better explain and understand Multiverse Theory. Like maybe it's not even Multiple Universes even though it seems like it and it's the same universe but just split up into different probabilities and possibilities.........
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The double slit experiment doesn’t work on the macro level. Newtonian physics and quantum physics are like oil and water… which is the entire problem with developing a grand unified theory. The math is not compatible.
 
67mike said:
Well thre are ancient depictions of? Aliens? All over the planet. There are documented events from ancient times as well. I think these things have been here for a very very long time.

Perhaps they are calling their buddies up now, to come look at the freakshow we have created here????
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Definitely is a freak show. :ROFLMAO:
 
67mike said:
Well thre are ancient depictions of? Aliens? All over the planet. There are documented events from ancient times as well. I think these things have been here for a very very long time.
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There are no "aliens". There is no "space". Those are the fallen, who were cast from heaven.
 
NowYou'rePlayingWithPower said:
The funny thing is that the idea of a transporter type device might not be far off of a means of transportation, either. The main issue with that I feel is wavelengths would have to be smaller than gamma rays for very long distances, but who knows. That gets into a whole other subject of quantum mechanics, but probably a relevant one if traveling through physical space is a thing.
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Look up Miguel Alcubierre.
 
67mike said:
There is that theory.
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Historically there are no "aliens" just "gods". You might like some of the some Michael Heiser videos. He died a few years ago but was an expert in Sumerian history and debunks the Zechariah Zitchin "ancient aliens" stuff pretty well.
 
NowYou'rePlayingWithPower said:
Am already familiar.
I'm sure you're having fun on wikipedia today.
While you're at it look up Alexey Bobrick.
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I majored in physics in college. I do calculus for fun.
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NowYou'rePlayingWithPower said:
You're just too much.
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Got the receipts to prove it. I like physics talk and math. 🧮
The point I was driving at and is borne out in the aforementioned equation is that wherever there are to bodies there’s gravity between them because r can never equal zero… and that’s everywhere and anywhere in the universe by principle of equivalence.
 
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