Lexicon MPX G2..what was I thinking?
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El Chiguete
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Hey I'm finding no programing to be not hard at all. At first I tried to see if I understand the thing but HELL NO jeje but then I went step by step with the manual and is not hard at all, you just have to think of it as sub-menus on Word, Excel or any other computer program.
It's completly transparent with my MP-1 and the pre and post effects routings rock. Now it's time to continue reading the manual and trying the different effects.
It's completly transparent with my MP-1 and the pre and post effects routings rock. Now it's time to continue reading the manual and trying the different effects.
El Chiguete
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aeroic":1mwvqc71 said:
Wow nice tip
this makes things sound WAY better and the overall sound level does not go down!!This deffinetly works!!!
chunktone
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jkdsteve":omjkedev said:What fun this thing is to program...NOT!
Sounds like it has killer verbs..though I'm not so convinced by the pitch shifting..sounds very un-natural.
Anyone got any programming tips or is there a site anywhere with some good patches??
Most of the effects sound great, except the pitch shifting. That's the weakest part. Programming the does suck! Not sure why they could not come up with something like Digitech or Rocktron for programming.
El Chiguete
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I didn't buy this unit 2 years ago because I got intiminated by everyones saying that its difficult but I have to say that I'm having NO problem at all understanding how to use it and program it... so for anyone wanting to try it out please do!
Yeah pitch shifting it's not all that good but it's better than what I had before jeje.jkdsteve":249lw6nz said:
mentoneman
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try sinking your teeth into lexi pcm land cupcakes.
first off you really need to use headphones to massage the minutia out of these sound laboratories or you will never fully appreciate parameters like spin and wander, or how much change 10% actually makes on your fx to reverb mix...etc.
my frustration with it is i am coming from a tc gforce and an axe ultra, which are devices that once you get over the "wut the crap am i doing" hump, are very clearly laid out visually for the user on menu maps as effects are selected and chained together as you see fit.
pcms require you to basically "memorize" their algorithm maps and signal pathways and what parameters are available and how to locate those in a preset in order to become fluent with it.
even if you have the algorithm chart diagram sitting in your lap as you tweak, it forces you to scroll around the menu matrix in a most "backwards-asstastic-NASA-labcoat-suck-music-inspiration-time-directly-out-of-your-soul" kinda way. i walk into my gear room ready to hendrix out and 3 hours later i stagger away like C3PO having just played the same chord 14000 times tweaking "a"sound while staring at the manual and menu.
BUT if you are a stickler for legendary industry leading sound effects....lexicon IS the sound of reverb.
first off you really need to use headphones to massage the minutia out of these sound laboratories or you will never fully appreciate parameters like spin and wander, or how much change 10% actually makes on your fx to reverb mix...etc.
my frustration with it is i am coming from a tc gforce and an axe ultra, which are devices that once you get over the "wut the crap am i doing" hump, are very clearly laid out visually for the user on menu maps as effects are selected and chained together as you see fit.
pcms require you to basically "memorize" their algorithm maps and signal pathways and what parameters are available and how to locate those in a preset in order to become fluent with it.
even if you have the algorithm chart diagram sitting in your lap as you tweak, it forces you to scroll around the menu matrix in a most "backwards-asstastic-NASA-labcoat-suck-music-inspiration-time-directly-out-of-your-soul" kinda way. i walk into my gear room ready to hendrix out and 3 hours later i stagger away like C3PO having just played the same chord 14000 times tweaking "a"sound while staring at the manual and menu.
BUT if you are a stickler for legendary industry leading sound effects....lexicon IS the sound of reverb.
Stone Heavy Sound
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Stick with it! The programing is not easy, but you will get used to it with practice. These are the most versatile effect boxes ever made, and sound very good. I have one in my rack (and a backup unit which I've never had to use in 12 years) and I run it through my RG16, but you could with any switcher. This way, I can run multiple amps and preamps (2 heads, 2 rack preamps) all through the one box, not to mention the ability to place effects before or after the input.
If there's ONE reason to use these that trumps all other mutli-fx boxes, it's that it has a bypass level for each patch, so you don't have to have awkward volume jumps between patches.
If I could add one tip that helps me, it's to start with a factory patch that's cool, save it into a new user patch, and build from there. While possible to program from scratch, it's more intuitive and inspirational if you find a patch with, say, a Wah that sounds cool, and then flesh it out in your own way.
If there's ONE reason to use these that trumps all other mutli-fx boxes, it's that it has a bypass level for each patch, so you don't have to have awkward volume jumps between patches.
If I could add one tip that helps me, it's to start with a factory patch that's cool, save it into a new user patch, and build from there. While possible to program from scratch, it's more intuitive and inspirational if you find a patch with, say, a Wah that sounds cool, and then flesh it out in your own way.
El Chiguete
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MARIU5":3jfkt4mt said:Try this tip : On a clean tone add a stereo pitch detuner, mix to taste. On the patching menu patch a random generator controller to the pitch parameter, instant tri stereo chorus fun, super thick non static pitch detune, really sounds great on clean sounds
This sounds interesting... can you explain it more?
El Chiguete
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Stone Heavy Sound":2k6qxh0k said:
I will, but I'm trying to get a good EVH type of flanger sound and when I try to get it from the VH patch it doesn't sound right to me... can you help me on this?
MARIU5
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"can you explain it more?"
Sure, I was trying to emulate the random changes that happen when you track a guitar more than once, with a regular pitch detuner it's a static effect, when you add the random generator the pitch changes as much or as little as you want so it sounds more organic, the random generator can also be synced to tempo which I think is even cooler.
Sure, I was trying to emulate the random changes that happen when you track a guitar more than once, with a regular pitch detuner it's a static effect, when you add the random generator the pitch changes as much or as little as you want so it sounds more organic, the random generator can also be synced to tempo which I think is even cooler.
I have one MPXG2 in my Series, and another in my parallel. The series one, I do the 4CM where I run some effects before the preamp, the parallel, I just run everything in the loop.
So...I ALWAYS recommend running the Delay and Reverb in parallel with each other in the Routing Map. Secondly, one thing to keep in mind if you are doing the 4CM, anything before the G(ain) block is before the preamp...anything after the G(ain) block is in your effects loop. Is your MPXG2 V1.1? If not, call Lexicon tomorrow and get the V1.1 firmware chip.
If so, I HIGHLY recommend switching the effect level of blocks especially post G(ain) block from effect level to dry level and setting the dry level at 0Db, which is basically a quasi "wet / dry" setup. Makes things sound great. On the parallel loop if you are using that, defeinitely set the 100% effect everywhere and use the level of each effect block to set the amount of each effect you want.
PM me, and I'll send you my phone number. I'm more than willing to chat over the phone with you about it. Did that with another forumite, and i think he's really digging it. I can give you some pointers that'd be easier to help you out on the phone. There's not too many people I know that have more experience w/ the G2 than I do. I'm MORE than willing to help you out man!
Hello!! I read this quite old topic because I have problems programming a Lexicon MPX G2 processor. More precisely, I want to control it as Midi device 2, connected to a Mesa Boigie Triaxis which is Midi Device 1, both controlled by Voodoo lan Ground Control. the settings in Ground control, I made them, but the CC channels are up to 127 and the tones saved by me in Mpx G2 Users start from 251. how to make the wide presets in User, starting from 251, I can order them from the 127 midi channels that I can assign from GC, probably the programs should be mapped to mpx g2 , start from 251 but I don't know, I tried but to no avail., it's beyond me.. Can someone help me with this sense? Thank you!
midnightlaundry
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Man, I had near the exact rig you speak of..
I still have my MPX-1 as my main Effects.. Not very intuitive, but I've had it for 26 years! I still have a Quadraverb laying around too. Any dummy could program that one..
I think what you're trying to do is in the Ground Control.. You have to tell it what presets in the MPX you want for the Bank you select on the GC. For example, MPX preset 212 on Bank 69 of the GC....
I still have my MPX-1 as my main Effects.. Not very intuitive, but I've had it for 26 years! I still have a Quadraverb laying around too. Any dummy could program that one..
I think what you're trying to do is in the Ground Control.. You have to tell it what presets in the MPX you want for the Bank you select on the GC. For example, MPX preset 212 on Bank 69 of the GC....
jabps
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Yep on the Quadraverb, one of the easiest things ever in a rack unit and why they sold like hot cakes. And as long as you didnt use the EQ on those units and load them down with the multi effects...just delays and verb they sounded great. They got so cheap back in the day that when one would fry out on me, I'd buy another and data dump my presets in there. Was cleaning out gear one day years ago and had like 3 old busted Quad units lol.
japetus
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Remember the 1/3 rack size Alesis? I used to love those, we ran them into 4 track Tascams, I felt like I was a real badass producer!!
Devin
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I kept trying but I didn't succeed, thanks, anyway, man!
Yeah, Lexicon introduced me to three concepts I wish I never had to hear of: MIDI banks, Most Significant Bit (MSB) vs Least Significant Bit (LSB), and Sysex. Don't have the G2 anymore, but do have a PCM80 and 91. I have limited my MIDI control goals for these units for the sake of my time and sanity.