smucarolina
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Can the POD HD Pro be bypassed to use as an effects processor only with a regular tube amp? Thanks.
glassjaw7
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Yes.
cujo
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How is it using 4 cable method ? How's the wah? Any tone suck or messing w tone?
guitarrhino
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Here's a question for all of you -- could I bypass the preamp of my Mesa and use the Line 6 Pod HD Pro instead? Would using a Mesa power amp color the sound too much? I have the Royal Atlantic ...
Steinmetzify
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cujo":m00gf3k1 said:
I run it (POD HD500, the floor version) 4cm through a 6505+ combo at home and every setting under every wah I've tried sucks tone and makes it anemic as hell. Blows, but I run my Cantrell wah alongside it. Much better.
guitarrhino
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Steinmetzify":12onhrv2 said:
Is it the amp or the Line 6?
Reiep
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I gave a try with the HD500 in 4cm setup with my Hagen. It was ok, but if you listened carefully you could hear the difference. And I had level issues with the post effects if used in parallel in order to avoid too much sucking.
I don't know if the A/D-D/A converters are better on the HD Pro, if not I wouldn't go for it in 4cm.
I don't know if the A/D-D/A converters are better on the HD Pro, if not I wouldn't go for it in 4cm.
Steinmetzify
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guitarrhino":2gf5jvwg said:
Not the amp. The Cantrell does better. I've tried on a couple different amps; same deal. Might just be too much if one thing; I'm not a tweaker as far as patches go and you might be able to do better. It's a great unit for the money and practice at home, though.
cujo
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So this pod hd pro does not work w Hagen 4cm that's exactly what I was going to do.
Chris6870
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I've been looking at doing the same thing with a Mesa Mk IV. I want to be able to use the Mesa with just the POD effects and no amp models or cab sims AND have the option to use the POD models and effects and just use the power section of the Mesa. I thought that was the whole point to the 4CM. Are you just saying it doesn't work as well as it should? I watched a few demos on Youtube of the Digitech RP1000 and the POD HD 500 using the 4CM and it looks like it should work like a charm. 
Reiep
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It works. Technically speaking, all serial, it's perfect, all is set up in 30 seconds. Then I switched the loop off, plugged the cable directly in the Hagen and yes, there was a difference. It wasn't garbage at all, I could totally have lived with it with a medium range amp, but it was a shame with an high end amp like the Hagen.
Once again, it was with the HD500, not the HD Pro.
Once again, it was with the HD500, not the HD Pro.
Steinmetzify
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Dude I use the 4cm method for amp and cab sims as well. You CAN just run it as an effects processor like that with your power section and it'll sound a lot better; I just use it at home for different flavors, and run that way the bad stuff shows a lot more.
If you're talking just a little distortion or some gain and a wah, you'll be fine. Keep in mind it's not Axe quality, but the effects are solid.
Also keep in mind it's a digital signal; the more effects you chain together, the worse it's going to sound. Offset from that, the HD Edit program is easy as hell to work with. For the money, you really can't go wrong.
Is it gonna sound like an Axe or a class A pedalboard that Racksystems put together? Fuck no. Bearing that in mind, it's cheap and easy to use.
If you're talking just a little distortion or some gain and a wah, you'll be fine. Keep in mind it's not Axe quality, but the effects are solid.
Also keep in mind it's a digital signal; the more effects you chain together, the worse it's going to sound. Offset from that, the HD Edit program is easy as hell to work with. For the money, you really can't go wrong.
Is it gonna sound like an Axe or a class A pedalboard that Racksystems put together? Fuck no. Bearing that in mind, it's cheap and easy to use.
Elric
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guitarrhino":3bc9wpwp said:
If it has a serial FX loop (most amps that have loops are serial) and you plug the HD (or any other preamp) into the FX return, yes.
I would expect the power amp to color it some but in a good way as long as you create the patches in that config.
LOL. What makes you think this? Is it somehow worse than the capacitive loading you'd get stringing a bunch of analog devices together?Steinmetzify":3bc9wpwp said:
cujo
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Does pod hd pro stand up as good as gsp1101. ?
Chris6870
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cujo":xhyyplt6 said:
Or the Eleven?
cujo
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I had the eleven rack. Good power amp it's cool but very basic. No harmonizer. Basic fx it was fun until I plugged back into my Diezel then I woke up.
Steinmetzify
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Elric":eln2pioq said:
What makes me think this is using it, man....chaining a bunch of effects together and having it sound like ass. That's how I know...lol.
As far as capacitive loading goes, that's not the point. Point I was trying to make is that it overwhelms itself with too many effects. It lets you use a lot and place them anywhere in the chain, but I've done the same setups with analog pedals and this sounds worse off for it.
So IMO, it sounds worse for being digital.
Shask
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A lot of people turn the wah mix back to about 50%-80%. This makes the wah not so dominant, and many people like it better that way.guitarrhino":17om1hmq said:
Shask
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smucarolina":20nyr519 said:
I have tried it a few times. You will see that it worked for some people and not so well with others. One of the biggest problems is that getting the levels right is difficult as hell, and it makes a huge difference on how much it effects the tone. Also, the quality of the loop on your amp matters a lot as well....
jlbaxe
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I found in my Mesa Mk III it gave it a thickish sound like someone turned the bass knob up an notch. not to noticeable but had a slight effect. Im sure if I wanted I could have dialed it out.
I had an eleven rack and it was ok but I prefer the Pod Pro Hd hands down. to me the only good thing in the 11r was tape delay and plexi amp. just my opinion.
I have the Axe II and Pro Pod HD and both are great or I would have sold the Hd. Pro Hd is stupid simple to program compared to the Axe.
The Axe II is the only thing I have used 4cm that was the most neutral. I haven't used a 1101….
I had an eleven rack and it was ok but I prefer the Pod Pro Hd hands down. to me the only good thing in the 11r was tape delay and plexi amp. just my opinion.
I have the Axe II and Pro Pod HD and both are great or I would have sold the Hd. Pro Hd is stupid simple to program compared to the Axe.
The Axe II is the only thing I have used 4cm that was the most neutral. I haven't used a 1101….