jlbaxe
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anyone use one and have any opinions about them? how are the effects? do you have it hooked up with an Egnater m4? thanks
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Suhrfer
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Hi,
Check out my notes about the M13 at the bottom of this thread: viewtopic.php?f=26&t=36870
(not sure how link forwarding works on this forum - if it doesn't work, the title of the thread is "Looking for a multieffects unit")
I LIKE my M13 with my MOD 50. You can obviously do better in many ways with discete effects, but for the money, convenience, and functionality you can't do much better that this unit.
IMPORTANT: for it to work in the 3 cable method (some effects between guitar and amp, some in the loop), the M13 MUST be set to DSP bypass). I took me a week to figure this out...
Good luck.
Check out my notes about the M13 at the bottom of this thread: viewtopic.php?f=26&t=36870
(not sure how link forwarding works on this forum - if it doesn't work, the title of the thread is "Looking for a multieffects unit")
I LIKE my M13 with my MOD 50. You can obviously do better in many ways with discete effects, but for the money, convenience, and functionality you can't do much better that this unit.
IMPORTANT: for it to work in the 3 cable method (some effects between guitar and amp, some in the loop), the M13 MUST be set to DSP bypass). I took me a week to figure this out...
Good luck.
3 Mile Stone
New member
i used one briefly at guitar center when demoed the rebel before i bought it. the line 6 unit was really very good. at $599 it's more than i want to spend because i wouldn't use half of it. i have a great collection of boosts and overdrive/distortion/fuzz pedals. if they made the time based effects in another format, even say a 1 space rack version. i'd be all over that. i thought the delays chorus where very very good, almost worth the price alone, but then i'd have another huge floor unit along side my existing board so ... i'll wait till they come out with a newer version of it.
sounded really good though.
sounded really good though.
jlbaxe
Active member
thanks! i have my pedals rack mounted and 2 delay rack units. i think i would like it if i could put the Egnater M4 into it like the tc g system but i have to much in gear to do either one. if they made it like the g system where u could rack mount it and put a pre amp into it i might be all over it for that price.
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broknstuff
Member
I got one but still need to make some cables to have enough to hook it up...
By the way they are 499 not 599.
By the way they are 499 not 599.
3 Mile Stone
New member
oh dig it, that is a better deal. not bad.
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LaXu
Member
Got one hooked into my Tourmaster. Works great. Not crazy about the overdrives and compressors but otherwise the effects get a thumbs up from me. Line6 really outdid themselves with the user interface though. Really easy to use, none of that menu bullshit other multifx have.
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sebygerry
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Hi
Do you have any loss of dynamic withe M13 ?
And does it in a rack drawer ?
Thanks
Do you have any loss of dynamic withe M13 ?
And does it in a rack drawer ?
Thanks
aeroic
Active member
Does the M13 have a noise gate that you can program per patch, and set in the loop?
Eric
Eric
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Suhrfer
New member
Eric,
It has a global noise gate - not sure where it is in the signal chain. It seems to work pretty well (I only tried it once) - I don't use it as the unit is fairly quiet...
Having mine for a couple of weeks now I've learned couple of things...
- it works pretty well in the series loop. But with higher gain modules (SL2) the module masters need to be below 12:00 or I've found there's a wierd "wind like" noise in the background! Not distortion, not compression... the tone is great, just this wierd noise. Doesn't happen with my lower gain mods and goes away with lowered mod masters.
- As I mentioned in another post, you must use the "DSP" bypass for the 3 cable method. You can use True bypass mode if the unit is in front of the amp (or in the loop only). I've noticed the DSP bypass affects the tone a bit, but not bad and acceptable to me. It might be my mismosh cables... I just ordered a custom snake - I'll post again when that shows up.
- Using the 3 cable method, you can choose where the loop is placed by "scene". This is a really cool feature - you can choose to put more effects in front of the amp or in the loop by scene.
- Tuner is just OK. I use a Peterson pedal set to the Buzz Feiten tempered setting so I'm spoiled... but I rarely take it out of the studio since the M13 is just too damn convenient.
I've slimmed down my setup to the M13, a wah, and the Egnater 4 footswitch.
In short - I recommend the unit for the price, decent effects, scenes, etc. It's a solid B.
Mark
It has a global noise gate - not sure where it is in the signal chain. It seems to work pretty well (I only tried it once) - I don't use it as the unit is fairly quiet...
Having mine for a couple of weeks now I've learned couple of things...
- it works pretty well in the series loop. But with higher gain modules (SL2) the module masters need to be below 12:00 or I've found there's a wierd "wind like" noise in the background! Not distortion, not compression... the tone is great, just this wierd noise. Doesn't happen with my lower gain mods and goes away with lowered mod masters.
- As I mentioned in another post, you must use the "DSP" bypass for the 3 cable method. You can use True bypass mode if the unit is in front of the amp (or in the loop only). I've noticed the DSP bypass affects the tone a bit, but not bad and acceptable to me. It might be my mismosh cables... I just ordered a custom snake - I'll post again when that shows up.
- Using the 3 cable method, you can choose where the loop is placed by "scene". This is a really cool feature - you can choose to put more effects in front of the amp or in the loop by scene.
- Tuner is just OK. I use a Peterson pedal set to the Buzz Feiten tempered setting so I'm spoiled... but I rarely take it out of the studio since the M13 is just too damn convenient.
I've slimmed down my setup to the M13, a wah, and the Egnater 4 footswitch.
In short - I recommend the unit for the price, decent effects, scenes, etc. It's a solid B.
Mark
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broknstuff
Member
Suhrfer":1rjfl7za said:
I got one, but I still don't understand why ANY company makes products that are meant to hook up using the 4 cable method (i.e. in the loop) and still don't offer a line level switch.
By next week I should get the midi to usb cable and then I'll finally fire the m13 up. The line level switch is, imo, one of the only things missing yet seems like such an obvious thing for something meant to go in a loop (again I'm not bashing just the the m13 for this, but all that do it). I usually run my modules between 10-2, so hope I don't have too many loop problems.
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LaXu
Member
Suhrfer":2v5qdv39 said:
I use mine pretty much the same way, just wah, M13 and Tourmaster footswitch. I also don't bother with the noise gate, the unit doesn't seem to add noise. I haven't noticed that the DSP bypass affects tone. I've set the Tourmaster loop levels so there are no volume cuts or boosts when it's turned on or off and if all fx are off and the loop on, I notice no difference. You're right about the tuner too, it's certainly no Peterson but it's more than enough for just tuning your guitar. For intonation I use the AP Tuner software on my computer.
jlbaxe
Active member
i use an mxr noise gate(newer) but still get some noise coming through even from the high gain mods. That's the one thing i like about my carvin quad x,has a built in adjustable noise gate/threshold and keeps it quiet. Anyone here have a noise gate that doesn't seem to affect the tone and make it seem muffled but keeps it quiet when not playing? I wish they would come out with a rack unit like the tc g system with (2) pre amp loops and a couple effect loops 
and more affordable.
and more affordable.
jlbaxe
Active member
LaXu":1m5n7eo3 said:
I tried a Tour Master at GC and it was noisy by its self. For the money I couldn't see it was worth it . Not putting down the Tour master cause Some love it, and i like it, overall sounded great,but it had some noise,then again i was using a SRV Fender Strat and with the lighting in the store Vault it could just have been the guitar. My Mesa MK III is Noisy (not as much) at high vol also.
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LaXu
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jlbaxe":1nle99i2 said:
Probably just the store lighting etc because in a properly grounded outlet with the fan turned off (I unplug it at home because I figure I won't be pushing the amp enough to require cooling) the amp is less noisy than my Diezel Einstein! Obviously you'll get some noise as you turn it up especially with higher gain settings but that's true with any amp.
jlbaxe
Active member
ok i have 2 gcx units and i have 1 Egnater M4 and one on the way soon, Can i do a 4cm (4 cable mode ) so i have my tone, Guitar/m4/amp on and bring a M12 or g system in? Im trying to keep the m4 in the middle of effects ex. guitar, chorus, flange,M4, delay,reverb,amp.
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LaXu
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jlbaxe":36un3fpe said:
Yes, you can. You just connect the relevant inputs and outputs and set which of the effects blocks are in front and which in the loop.
jlbaxe
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LaXu":zbm2lqbp said:
The Egnater M4 does not have an effects loop.
aeroic
Active member
jlbaxe":cc0m8y3n said:
You don't need one. It comes "standard" w/ a series effects loop!!!
*(hehehehehehe)*Guitar -> input of M14 -> send of the M14 -> input of M4 -> output of M4 -> return of M13 -> output of M13 -> input of power amp.
Eric
jlbaxe
Active member
Yes, you can. You just connect the relevant inputs and outputs and set which of the effects blocks are in front and which in the loop.[/quote]
The Egnater M4 does not have an effects loop.[/quote]
You don't need one. It comes "standard" w/ a series effects loop!!! *(hehehehehehe)*
Guitar -> input of M14 -> send of the M14 -> input of M4 -> output of M4 -> return of M13 -> output of M13 -> input of power amp.
Eric[/quote]
I think you got confused with your gun M14 M13 but i understand
wow thats cool now i just dont know if i want the M13 or the TC G system. I wanted a TC2290 but if the Gsystem has the same delays in it then newer, less chance of noise and about the same price plus i get more effects.
The Egnater M4 does not have an effects loop.[/quote]
You don't need one. It comes "standard" w/ a series effects loop!!!
*(hehehehehehe)*Guitar -> input of M14 -> send of the M14 -> input of M4 -> output of M4 -> return of M13 -> output of M13 -> input of power amp.
Eric[/quote]
I think you got confused with your gun M14 M13 but i understand
wow thats cool now i just dont know if i want the M13 or the TC G system. I wanted a TC2290 but if the Gsystem has the same delays in it then newer, less chance of noise and about the same price plus i get more effects.