Looking for a good delay in front of a boosted JCM800.

[ratter]

I've never been able to get any delay to sound good in front of a distorted amp. Anyone have a clip where one sounds good?

All of Vlad's marshall clips with delay are in front of the amp.

 

[SQUAREHEAD]

I've never been able to get any delay to sound good in front of a distorted amp. Anyone have a clip where one sounds good?

I have never had success either. It does not make "logical" sense that it could work well in front of a high gain amp. Maybe and old Marshall...??
I dunno. I've never been able to do it.

kw

 

[Greazygeo]

I've never been able to get any delay to sound good in front of a distorted amp. Anyone have a clip where one sounds good?

All of Vlad's marshall clips with delay are in front of the amp.

I've listened to some of his clips, don't recall if there was any delay or not. I like a medium length delay, sometimes tap tempo-ed to play to. In the front doesnt have that clear delay sound I like. If an amp is set pretty clean I don't mind it, but then it needs a pedal in front to get distortion....

 

[Greazygeo]

I've never been able to get any delay to sound good in front of a distorted amp. Anyone have a clip where one sounds good?

I have never had success either. It does not make "logical" sense that it could work well in front of a high gain amp. Maybe and old Marshall...??
I dunno. I've never been able to do it.

kw

I don't think so either....either a loop or slaving is the only way I can get delay to work the way I want it.

 

[ratter]

I've never been able to get any delay to sound good in front of a distorted amp. Anyone have a clip where one sounds good?

All of Vlad's marshall clips with delay are in front of the amp.

I've listened to some of his clips, don't recall if there was any delay or not. I like a medium length delay, sometimes tap tempo-ed to play to. In the front doesnt have that clear delay sound I like. If an amp is set pretty clean I don't mind it, but then it needs a pedal in front to get distortion....

It definitely won't be as clear, obviously. And you have to be more judicious with it. The more delay the sloppier it gets. But me personally I think I prefer it a little furry/sloppy compared to a pristine digital delay sound. That sounds too unnatural to me. But I guess I'm in the minority on that.

 

[Telephant]

You own tape echos and you're asking us what delay sounds good in front of a JCM 800?!?

Dude, the freaking tape echos are AWESOME!!!!

 

[SQUAREHEAD]

I've never been able to get any delay to sound good in front of a distorted amp. Anyone have a clip where one sounds good?

I have never had success either. It does not make "logical" sense that it could work well in front of a high gain amp. Maybe and old Marshall...??
I dunno. I've never been able to do it.

kw

I don't think so either....either a loop or slaving is the only way I can get delay to work the way I want it.

Same here, George.

 

[Greazygeo]

It definitely won't be as clear, obviously. And you have to be more judicious with it. The more delay the sloppier it gets. But me personally I think I prefer it a little furry/sloppy compared to a pristine digital delay sound. That sounds too unnatural to me. But I guess I'm in the minority on that.

Thats what Ive experienced, used to drive me nuts. I don't think you are in the minority, there are lots of guys that like that type thing. I like the really clear more ambient delay. Playing in harmony with it is really fun.

 

[Telephant]

You own tape echos and you're asking us what delay sounds good in front of a JCM 800?!?

Dude, the freaking tape echos are AWESOME!!!!

Yeah, but they are noisy.

I figured I would ask since I dont use many pedals...

Well I use a MIJ Ibanez AD-9 in front of my Superbass and it sounds great. Hell, I think the Boss DD-3's sound pretty good in front of a Marshall as well. But the Ad-9 definitely sounds warmer and more vintagey. Problem is it doesnt have much delay time. But if all you need is slap back it works perfectly IMO.

 

[Gainfreak]

Dave!

Since you have all the tools, why arent you slaving? It will make your delays sound like gold!!

 

[70strathead]

I've never been able to get any delay to sound good in front of a distorted amp. Anyone have a clip where one sounds good?

neither have I. What is exactly PPIV? I have a JCM800 from 82' thats stock and had a tube buffered effects loop put into it years ago and my echoplex's and hughes Ketner replex sound terrific through it. no question.

 

[SQUAREHEAD]

Dave!

Since you have all the tools, why arent you slaving? It will make your delays sound like gold!!

Yes!!!!!!!

I finally tried it Ralph.
Slaving is awesome!!
kw

 

[Gainfreak]

Dave!

Since you have all the tools, why arent you slaving? It will make your delays sound like gold!!

Yes!!!!!!!

I finally tried it Ralph.
Slaving is awesome!!
kw

 

[SQUAREHEAD]

It's funny Ralph.
Over the years I have tried one amp's preamp section into another's output section etc... but never tried the whole wet dry rig slaving thing with a good fx unit. If I had roadies, it's definitely the way to go for sure!

Kw

 

[Gainfreak]

It's funny Ralph.
Over the years I have tried one amp's preamp section into another's output section etc... but never tried the whole wet dry rig slaving thing with a good fx unit. If I had roadies, it's definitely the way to go for sure!

Kw

Keith!

You know what the reall asskicker was for me? I used to slave my amps all the time but 9 out of 10 times, I was the roady! It was insane lugging all that crap around but it did sound huge lol!

 

[SQUAREHEAD]

It's funny Ralph.
Over the years I have tried one amp's preamp section into another's output section etc... but never tried the whole wet dry rig slaving thing with a good fx unit. If I had roadies, it's definitely the way to go for sure!

Kw

Keith!

You know what the reall asskicker was for me? I used to slave my amps all the time but 9 out of 10 times, I was the roady! It was insane lugging all that crap around but it did sound huge lol!

Oh ya...
I have have to do it for a larger gig someday...
It's worth it if you have the time!!

Keith

 

[Greazygeo]

I've never been able to get any delay to sound good in front of a distorted amp. Anyone have a clip where one sounds good?

neither have I. What is exactly PPIV? I have a JCM800 from 82' thats stock and had a tube buffered effects loop put into it years ago and my echoplex's and hughes Ketner replex sound terrific through it. no question.

Its a type of master volume that goes right after the phase inverter and before the power tubes. They seem to be the rage at the moment. I messed with those years ago and never liked them. Its the same type that Marshall is using in the VM amps.

A good buffered FX loop is the way to go for me. Slaving works too, but there is so much more stuff to carry around.

 

[Greazygeo]

Keith!

You know what the reall asskicker was for me? I used to slave my amps all the time but 9 out of 10 times, I was the roady! It was insane lugging all that crap around but it did sound huge lol!

Thats why I quit doing it....too much stuff. At least we had roadies! The other gtr player and I both did the slaving thing....ah the days of 5 4-12's three heads, rack, JC 120 etc

Slaving back in the day

 

[70strathead]

I've never been able to get any delay to sound good in front of a distorted amp. Anyone have a clip where one sounds good?

neither have I. What is exactly PPIV? I have a JCM800 from 82' thats stock and had a tube buffered effects loop put into it years ago and my echoplex's and hughes Ketner replex sound terrific through it. no question.

Its a type of master volume that goes right after the phase inverter and before the power tubes. They seem to be the rage at the moment. I messed with those years ago and never liked them. Its the same type that Marshall is using in the VM amps.

A good buffered FX loop is the way to go for me. Slaving works too, but there is so much more stuff to carry around.

i gotcha. I love slaving, which IMO is really the best way to do it, but if its a rehearsal, bedroom or small gig, i think the eeffects loop approach works great without all the added equipment like u said.... thanks for clarification.

 

[Greazygeo]

i gotcha. I love slaving, which IMO is really the best way to do it, but if its a rehearsal, bedroom or small gig, i think the eeffects loop approach works great without all the added equipment like u said.... thanks for clarification.

Yeah we only play small stuff. Using my Wizard head and its FX loop is great for me....no need to drag all the extra stuff.