Mötley Crüe Shout at the Devil-Inside the Album w/Tom Werman

[311splawndude]

Mötley Crüe 'Shout at the Devil' Inside the Album w/ Producer Tom Werman - full in bloom Interview


I thought this was pretty cool. Tom Werman produced a bunch of bands back in this time and he talks about some of those experiences as well. How Tommy Lee was such a great drummer and musician. How Dee Snider was hard to work with. How Robin Zander could do 3 songs in an afternoon but Vince Neil had to do 5 or 6 takes and then try again the next day. Good stuff all around.

Favorite part is when they are discussing the 'scary' part of the Crue when Shout came out and how they thought it was so funny. At 37:40 min mark he says something like "...and then Motley Crue came along and they were like, 'Oh God, they worship the beast'. It was great to just string them along and rile them up and get 'em crazy".

 

[crwnedblasphemy]

Good interview....

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

The guy who runs that channel has a few other good interviews with other producers as well. Love hearing it from someone other than band members. It also goes to show when you compare the rough tracks to the finished product, just how important the producer is in all of this. It isn't just the sound and genius of the band, it is also the "sound" and vision of the producer which really defines the final product and sound. So as I and others have said many times before when someone posts "how do i sound like such and such", the answer is " gear/preamps/board/hands/PRODUCER". Something you likely will not replicate at home unless you hunt all of those things down.

 

[Bronco]

The guy who runs that channel has a few other good interviews with other producers as well. Love hearing it from someone other than band members. It also goes to show when you compare the rough tracks to the finished product, just how important the producer is in all of this. It isn't just the sound and genius of the band, it is also the "sound" and vision of the producer which really defines the final product and sound. So as I and others have said many times before when someone posts "how do i sound like such and such", the answer is " gear/preamps/board/hands/PRODUCER". Something you likely will not replicate at home unless you hunt all of those things down.

 

[romanianreaper]

I listened to this earlier while working from home. Really enjoyed it man and thanks for posting!

The fact that Vince didn't really contribute doesn't surprise me at all. I was a bit surprised about what he said about Tommy.

 

[crwnedblasphemy]

These interviews are awesome...The one with Sweeda about ted templeton on bullyboys first album is nuts. I woulda fired that dude...

 

[311splawndude]

Hmmm. I'll have to look for that one. Love Bullet Boys and Ted.

 

[Beyond Black]

Cool interview! I loved Shout at the Devil as a lad. Still do.

 

[Kordoba]

Good stuff, thanks for posting.

 

[MisterBulbous]

I've been listening to these as well. Beau Hill, Werman, Michael Wagener, etc. This guy doing the interview does a real nice job. Gets to the interview and lets the guys talk. Nothing irks me more than these podcast guys like Dean Delray who talk way too much, try to act cool, and don't start the interview until they've finished their 10 minutes of self-promotion.

I honestly thought there was a honor system or code of ethics where producer's would keep the "dirt" secret. Definitely not the case.

 

[legend71]

The guy who runs that channel has a few other good interviews with other producers as well. Love hearing it from someone other than band members. It also goes to show when you compare the rough tracks to the finished product, just how important the producer is in all of this. It isn't just the sound and genius of the band, it is also the "sound" and vision of the producer which really defines the final product and sound. So as I and others have said many times before when someone posts "how do i sound like such and such", the answer is " gear/preamps/board/hands/PRODUCER". Something you likely will not replicate at home unless you hunt all of those things down.

So true! Great post

 

[crwnedblasphemy]

I've been listening to these as well. Beau Hill, Werman, Michael Wagener, etc. This guy doing the interview does a real nice job. Gets to the interview and lets the guys talk. Nothing irks me more than these podcast guys like Dean Delray who talk way too much, try to act cool, and don't start the interview until they've finished their 10 minutes of self-promotion.

I honestly thought there was a honor system or code of ethics where producer's would keep the "dirt" secret. Definitely not the case.

I believe the gag order/statute of limitations runs out after 20 years.

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

I've been listening to these as well. Beau Hill, Werman, Michael Wagener, etc. This guy doing the interview does a real nice job. Gets to the interview and lets the guys talk. Nothing irks me more than these podcast guys like Dean Delray who talk way too much, try to act cool, and don't start the interview until they've finished their 10 minutes of self-promotion.

I honestly thought there was a honor system or code of ethics where producer's would keep the "dirt" secret. Definitely not the case.

He's a good interviewer for sure. He lets them talk, nice to hear for a change. I also like the way he slips in questions about gear because he obviously works in music production in some capacity. Amazing the amount of times it is just a 57 or two thrown on the grill vs all these mega mics we hear about. I am sure the studios that were rented were likely also chosen for their price point so a lot of these first albums weren't necessarily recorded in the cream of the crop studios. Of course they would all have consoles and analogue gear but not necessarily the "best" stuff for that era.

 

[romanianreaper]

I've always loved hearing behind the scenes stuff with recordings. For us guitar and music geeks, it gives us insight into stuff that just changes how you hear stuff. Like when Don Dokken had to sing all the parts for the Scorpions album when Klaus Meine jacked up his voice. Those stories are always so great.

Producers and engineers don't get enough credit. What Bob Rock did for Motley Crue's sound on Dr. Feelgood was enough for Metallica to want him. They heard Tommy's drum tones and were sold.

I have heard instances where guys jacked up a record too. Ozzy's "Ultimate Sin" has so many killer songs but the tone isn't exactly the best.

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

I've always loved hearing behind the scenes stuff with recordings. For us guitar and music geeks, it gives us insight into stuff that just changes how you hear stuff. Like when Don Dokken had to sing all the parts for the Scorpions album when Klaus Meine jacked up his voice. Those stories are always so great.

Producers and engineers don't get enough credit. What Bob Rock did for Motley Crue's sound on Dr. Feelgood was enough for Metallica to want him. They heard Tommy's drum tones and were sold.

I have heard instances where guys jacked up a record too. Ozzy's "Ultimate Sin" has so many killer songs but the tone isn't exactly the best.

Awesome drum track.. on it's own it just sounds like an average track with the snare slammed with compression but all together it sounds so damn huge. Again, this is why the producers get paid the cash they do (or did) at the time. What really stands out is the fact that it is not layered or obviously layered with drums and you hear cymbals decay and ring out. Today the standard is that annoying tendency to turn to Steven Slate trigger or similar. Anyone can record a set of cardboard boxes and have them sound like stadium drums.

 

[romanianreaper]

Awesome drum track.. on it's own it just sounds like an average track with the snare slammed with compression but all together it sounds so damn huge. Again, this is why the producers get paid the cash they do (or did) at the time. What really stands out is the fact that it is not layered or obviously layered with drums and you hear cymbals decay and ring out. Today the standard is that annoying tendency to turn to Steven Slate trigger or similar. Anyone can record a set of cardboard boxes and have them sound like stadium drums.

I hate how everything has gotten so perfected and polished. Not perfected tone but everything being so mistake-free that it doesn't breathe. When you hear isolated tracks of older rock and metal songs, you can hear some mistakes and timing issues, etc. and together it makes a song sound "real" or "live". Now everything sounds like a Rammstein song with all of the parts right in step with each other.

 

[LP Freak]

Awesome drum track.. on it's own it just sounds like an average track with the snare slammed with compression but all together it sounds so damn huge. Again, this is why the producers get paid the cash they do (or did) at the time. What really stands out is the fact that it is not layered or obviously layered with drums and you hear cymbals decay and ring out. Today the standard is that annoying tendency to turn to Steven Slate trigger or similar. Anyone can record a set of cardboard boxes and have them sound like stadium drums.

I hate how everything has gotten so perfected and polished. Not perfected tone but everything being so mistake-free that it doesn't breathe. When you hear isolated tracks of older rock and metal songs, you can hear some mistakes and timing issues, etc. and together it makes a song sound "real" or "live". Now everything sounds like a Rammstein song with all of the parts right in step with each other.

I agree, the human factor is far gone.

 

[romanianreaper]

I agree, the human factor is far gone.

That is why the Foo Fighters' "Wasting Light" album sounded phenomenal. Analog, like the old days, etc.

 

[crwnedblasphemy]

This is why I listen to black metal and occasional stoner metal. Production isn’t as polished. I like some polish, but I also like live full band recordings like Practice what you preach

 

[controlled_voltage]

as if we needed anymore evidence that vince meal is a talentless cunt even back then
i agree with the "human' sentiment'
everything is protooled to death and "perfect" and it sucks
it sounds like it came from a box
the standardization of modern metal/rock production is character-less and totally homogenized.

i loved hearing all of the string noise and 'mistakes in the EVH iso tracks from guitar hero

listening to records from the 60s/70s/80s and early 90s they all sound A LOT different.

For instance all of the different martin Birch produced albums sound incredible but there is no detectable Martin Birch "fingerprint" or tell tale sound thru rote use of gear/techniques or repeated process' and all of those albums he did kick fucking ass!