Man, I'm REALLY NOT diggin' these V30s with my Einstein!

[Joeytpg]

The amp sounds HARSH! and I KNOW it's not the amp, because I can "hear" some great tones in between the harshness...... someone said that Einsteins were better with greenbacks?

 

[Jaymz82]

Maybe you will like the Eminence Governor. It's basically a V30 without the ice picky mids and harshness.

 

[flownomis]

dude i think its the framus. i played my eini with an engl xxl (vintage30 equipped) a while ago and it sounded awesome, no harshness.

at the moment i play a 4x12 marshall with greenbacks (gh30) and the tone is fucking sweet, very full organic sound , warm but aggressive and tight,too. perfect match.

 

[Joeytpg]

I think so too man :S I'll have to trade it ok buy new speakers.

 

[hairychris444]

Sounds fine with my Framus Dragon 4x12....

 

[FastRedPonyCar]

The V30's to my ears have this abrasive upper midrange hairiness that's impossible to dial out even with a 15 band eq. It's just there no matter what. I've tried them in many different cabs and it's always there. I use a pair of earcandy greenmachine speakers now. Basically 125 watt eminence wizards. They're untouchable IMO.

 

[nbarts]

So far the only cabinets that didn't have harshness with v30s were Bogners. I don't know how they do it, but whatever it is they do, it works.

 

[FastRedPonyCar]

So far the only cabinets that didn't have harshness with v30s were Bogners. I don't know how they do it, but whatever it is they do, it works.

the shiva open back cab is smooth but the oversized 2X12 is still harsh.

 

[VH4_BigRig]

So far the only cabinets that didn't have harshness with v30s were Bogners. I don't know how they do it, but whatever it is they do, it works.

Hey Nbarts, I see in your pic that you're using Mesa cabs as well, what's your experience with them so far? I'm using a Mesa 2x12 w/ v30s right now, and it sounds good, but not great. I got a 2x12 because I couldn't afford a 4x12 (or a Diezel cab) after spending so much on the head, so I went with Mesa because Adam Jones uses a Mesa cab (though his is a 4x12). I find it woofs out when the bass gets past 12:00 on the channels, and while it sounds pretty good in the room, it's hard to get that exact sound recorded and sounds a bit harsh at times.

I asked Peter Stapfer about this when I was doing some trouble shooting a while back and this was his response:

"recording...that´s a difficult thing. I´m actually hunting for the best tone in my drummers studio. I use Sennheiser MD412. I have found out that I don´t want to be too close to the speaker as you hear a very harsh frequency from the Vintage 30. I am trying to get a 2 feet distance and locate some baffles left and right of the microphone in order to shield the mic from reflexions. But this is not a final recommendation from my side. I´m just doing research at the moment. I also figured out that there is a lack of high mids if I play the VH4 through the V30. I am now testing a G12K100 which is similar to the old British Marshall sound but more harmonic highs than the original cheap G12H75. Please ask me in 3 weeks........ha ha"

Anyone else have experience with Diezels/Mesa cabs? Also, has anyone tried using Electro-Voice Black Label EVM12L speakers with a Diezel yet (Zakk Wylde's crazy 300w speakers)?

 

[nbarts]

So far the only cabinets that didn't have harshness with v30s were Bogners. I don't know how they do it, but whatever it is they do, it works.

the shiva open back cab is smooth but the oversized 2X12 is still harsh.

Not for what I do or might be the way we are dialing our amps, I haven't heard a cabinet as smooth as my OS 212 & I've tried a lot of them, trust me. I haven't tried the Shiva, but now I'm curious.

 

[nbarts]

So far the only cabinets that didn't have harshness with v30s were Bogners. I don't know how they do it, but whatever it is they do, it works.

Hey Nbarts, I see in your pic that you're using Mesa cabs as well, what's your experience with them so far? I'm using a Mesa 2x12 w/ v30s right now, and it sounds good, but not great. I got a 2x12 because I couldn't afford a 4x12 (or a Diezel cab) after spending so much on the head, so I went with Mesa because Adam Jones uses a Mesa cab (though his is a 4x12). I find it woofs out when the bass gets past 12:00 on the channels, and while it sounds pretty good in the room, it's hard to get that exact sound recorded and sounds a bit harsh at times.

I asked Peter Stapfer about this when I was doing some trouble shooting a while back and this was his response:

"recording...that´s a difficult thing. I´m actually hunting for the best tone in my drummers studio. I use Sennheiser MD412. I have found out that I don´t want to be too close to the speaker as you hear a very harsh frequency from the Vintage 30. I am trying to get a 2 feet distance and locate some baffles left and right of the microphone in order to shield the mic from reflexions. But this is not a final recommendation from my side. I´m just doing research at the moment. I also figured out that there is a lack of high mids if I play the VH4 through the V30. I am now testing a G12K100 which is similar to the old British Marshall sound but more harmonic highs than the original cheap G12H75. Please ask me in 3 weeks........ha ha"

Anyone else have experience with Diezels/Mesa cabs? Also, has anyone tried using Electro-Voice Black Label EVM12L speakers with a Diezel yet (Zakk Wylde's crazy 300w speakers)?

I have to respectfully disagree with Peter Stapfer on this one.

I've sold my 2x12 rectifier a long time ago (a week after I bought the Bogner), it was too harsh. I've also sold my 4x12 rectifier, the only amp I liked it with was the Ubeschall, but again it had the same harshness. Overall I thought Mesa 2x12 was a better cabinet than the 4x12, but then it looks like I like 2x12s better in general. In my book Bogner defeated Mesa cabs in any configuration 1x12, 2x12 or 4x12, even more dramatic difference for recording. If you want Tool like tone try the OS 2x12, it's very good for it.

I've also sold my Mesa 1x12 with EVM12L, but I have to say it was one amazing sound in the room with Herbert, but too harsh in front of the speaker. I'm planning to load a Bogner 2x12 with 2 EVM12Ls when I have a chance, if it gives me "THAT" sound with no harshness it will be killer. However for Tool like tone OS with V30s is the ticket, with VH4 it sounds scary close to the tone they've recorded in Vicarious with just one SM7B in front of it.

 

[Neuro]

V30's are great and can be dialed in to sound amazing. I think a lot has to do with the cab as well. Its just hard to find a good combination of the two.

My Marshall 4x12 (w/ V30's) sounds good, but is sometimes harsh. My Diezel 4x12 (w/ 2 V30's and 2 G12H-30's) sounds SO much better, mostly because of the cab design and I just prefer the blend that those speakers produce together. Nothing is harsh about it, yet it cuts through with a richness I've never heard. Dynamics in my playing can be heard, and this showcases how great the Einstein really is, as opposed to my Marshall cab. It's just very balanced to my ear...even from great vintage cleans to modern tones. This speaker combination has a GREAT frequency response that I think almost anyone would be happy with...ESPECIALLY with an Einstein.

Unfortunately, I think you have to try as many options as you can to find what sounds good. And a lot of the times as your ear gets better, as you hear more and more nuances in the tone, you realize more and more what you're looking for, and THEN you can settle with a certain speaker/cab. Even then, its hard not to wonder about other possibilities (speakers/amps/cabs) and stop the "endless search" for a perfect tone. Just try different things and sooner or later you will realize what you're happy with.

 

[hunter]

I found the Eini needs EL34s and Greenbacks.

 

[guitarobert]

My Marshall 4x12 (w/ V30's) sounds good, but is sometimes harsh. My Diezel 4x12 (w/ 2 V30's and 2 G12H-30's) sounds SO much better, mostly because of the cab design and I just prefer the blend that those speakers produce together. Nothing is harsh about it, yet it cuts through with a richness I've never heard. Dynamics in my playing can be heard, and this showcases how great the Einstein really is, as opposed to my Marshall cab. It's just very balanced to my ear...even from great vintage cleans to modern tones. This speaker combination has a GREAT frequency response that I think almost anyone would be happy with...ESPECIALLY with an Einstein.

Based on feedback from another thread I replaced one of the V30s in my 2x12 with a G12H (Heritage version), making it a V30/G12H cab. I'll wait until the G12H is broken in and I've had more time playing it before posting a review. But my initial reaction is that this combination sounds much better than using only V30s. There was either something lacking or too much of something when using only V30s, and the G12H seems to fill in the gaps.

What I'm really impressed with so far is that it sounds balanced throughout the entire frequency range but still has a good attack. The G12H seems to bring out the EL34 growl nicely while chords are ringing out.

For reference, I've tried a different speaker combination in the past (V30, G12T75) and I wasn't happy with that one. The V30/G12T combination sounded flat to me.

 

[Neuro]

My Marshall 4x12 (w/ V30's) sounds good, but is sometimes harsh. My Diezel 4x12 (w/ 2 V30's and 2 G12H-30's) sounds SO much better, mostly because of the cab design and I just prefer the blend that those speakers produce together. Nothing is harsh about it, yet it cuts through with a richness I've never heard. Dynamics in my playing can be heard, and this showcases how great the Einstein really is, as opposed to my Marshall cab. It's just very balanced to my ear...even from great vintage cleans to modern tones. This speaker combination has a GREAT frequency response that I think almost anyone would be happy with...ESPECIALLY with an Einstein.

Based on feedback from another thread I replaced one of the V30s in my 2x12 with a G12H (Heritage version), making it a V30/G12H cab. I'll wait until the G12H is broken in and I've had more time playing it before posting a review. But my initial reaction is that this combination sounds much better than using only V30s. There was either something lacking or too much of something when using only V30s, and the G12H seems to fill in the gaps.

What I'm really impressed with so far is that it sounds balanced throughout the entire frequency range but still has a good attack. The G12H seems to bring out the EL34 growl nicely while chords are ringing out.

For reference, I've tried a different speaker combination in the past (V30, G12T75) and I wasn't happy with that one. The V30/G12T combination sounded flat to me.

Well that's awesome! Glad it worked out for you. I agree with everything you said, or at least relative to what MY G12H30 sounds like. I use the G12H30 Classic/Anniversary version and have not tried the Heritage G12H30 yet.


Joey - Maybe a G12H-30 (Anniversary or Heritage) is the answer? Or maybe a larger cab might give you a different perspective of the Einstein? Ever thought about a Bogner OS 2x12? It sounds SO huge, rivals ANY 4x12, and is one of the best built cabs out there, as nbarts just stated.

Or just get a Diezel or Bogner 4x12!!!

For a sound clip of the Einstein (blended w/ a Mesa through a Bogner OS 2x12), check out our myspace and click on "Desperate."

Hope that helps.

 

[Joeytpg]

Thanks for the advice Neuro, I think I might know what the problem is... I'm not crankin' it.... I'm playing at a VERY low volume, because I live in an apartment.... so deusentreib told me that V30s need to be cranked to REALLY sound good.

Don't get me wrong.... in the room, the amp sounds VERY GOOD, but I know the Einstein can sound EXCELLENT, you know what I mean? I'm trying to get an Isolation Cab to record so I can REALLY make it bleed hehehe.

I'd like to mix speakers though. I Maybe leave one of the V30s an add a G12H-30. haven both in my 2x12

 

[Neuro]

Yeah, well what's your Master set at? And what's the EQ settings that you used in that video?

The vid sounded good, its just that I really couldn't tell it was a Diezel! It could've been the low volume, EQ setting, or type of recording mic...I dunno. It probably sounds better in person, its just hard to duplicate that sound w/o having one of those ribbon mics or something expensive.

My Sennheiser E609 or SM57 can get close, but the low end isn't quite there. Best of luck though!

 

[Joeytpg]

I used an SM57. but again the volume is VERY low. Master's set to 8:30 or something like that...... barely audible

 

[nbarts]

I used an SM57. but again the volume is VERY low. Master's set to 8:30 or something like that...... barely audible

And you are think about buying a VH4?

 

[Joeytpg]

lol! I KNOW! but I want to buy the VH4 next year when I move back to my home country (there I have a house, not an apartment and my own "studio", so volume won't be a problem as it's now

I really want a VH4 but I'm really jiving with my Einstein......I love the little guy! (I'd take BOTH if I could, but with a VH4 is more than enough honestly)