Marshall JVM vs Vintage Modern

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I know a few of you guys used to have the JVM's when they were new, who here still has held on to theirs? How do you think it compares to the Vintage Modern? I basically just want a amp to cover Marshall type tones but since I have a Mark IV already I am not really looking for versatility. Also whats a good price to pay used for each of these? I've only tried out the JVM combo and the Vintage modern head but wasn't really able to crank it up too much when I did for either.
 
Neither one of them is much of a Marshall, if you ask me. I consider both of those as their attempts to get "outside of the box."

You don't have to crank either of those amps. The JVM just gets muddy if you turn it way, way up, and the VM doesn't change nearly as much as pretty much any other non-modern high gain amp I can think of.
 
OneArmedScissor":3cyot0pa said:
Neither one of them is much of a Marshall, if you ask me. I consider both of those as their attempts to get "outside of the box."

You don't have to crank either of those amps. The JVM just gets muddy if you turn it way, way up, and the VM doesn't change nearly as much as pretty much any other non-modern high gain amp I can think of.

Man up and come to the Austin Ampfest in May. Killertone had his JVM roaring at the last one, and did not fit your description at all. Maybe you just suck at dialing in an amp> :lol: :LOL:
 
D/FW XJ'er":282y3wtz said:
OneArmedScissor":282y3wtz said:
Neither one of them is much of a Marshall, if you ask me. I consider both of those as their attempts to get "outside of the box."

You don't have to crank either of those amps. The JVM just gets muddy if you turn it way, way up, and the VM doesn't change nearly as much as pretty much any other non-modern high gain amp I can think of.

Man up and come to the Austin Ampfest in May. Killertone had his JVM roaring at the last one, and did not fit your description at all. Maybe you just suck at dialing in an amp> :lol: :LOL:
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I own a jvm, a preamp modded 73 jmp (superbass), a dsl and a 600 series.
I have played the vintage modern heavily.
the vm sounds alot like a modded jmp. it can take you up to the 80's metal gain sounds, and with a boost right up to early lynch tones. like the jmp it cleans up well with a roll back on the vol knob and is very touch sensitive.
the jvm can do 800 crunch all the way to tsl overdrive and past it.
the clean channel on the jvm has its uses as well, but I think boogie cleans are a bit more "Shimmery" if you get my meaning.
over all, both great amps imo, but since I already own a jmp, I went with the jvm to round out my rig

as far as the jvm getting muddy at loud levels, I gig with mine a few times a month, and haven't had that problem
 
still have my JVM. Owned it since 2007. Gigs great. Marshall JCM800-in-a-box. (I've owned several over the years).
Clean to ragin' in 4 fucking channels.
 
D/FW XJ'er":i6mpolx3 said:
OneArmedScissor":i6mpolx3 said:
Neither one of them is much of a Marshall, if you ask me. I consider both of those as their attempts to get "outside of the box."

You don't have to crank either of those amps. The JVM just gets muddy if you turn it way, way up, and the VM doesn't change nearly as much as pretty much any other non-modern high gain amp I can think of.

Man up and come to the Austin Ampfest in May. Killertone had his JVM roaring at the last one, and did not fit your description at all. Maybe you just suck at dialing in an amp> :lol: :LOL:

The problem I have with those is that with ten million knobs it takes forever to dial anything in.

Are you bringing your Jubilee? That's basically a JCM 800 right?
 
Any reason you are not considering a JCM800 either reissue or a used one?

I went with a Marshall 2553 to compliment my mesa mark IV and it has worked out great. But with the current prices of the silver jubilees and slash heads, its no longer a great option.

Only thing I might be worried about with a JVM and a mark IV is knob overload. That could be too many options between the 2 amps.....
 
I've done over 30 gigs with my JVM and it continues to amaze me...even with a cab that I've traditional hated (1960A)...as far as being muddy...just don't hear it. That amp IMO sounds incredible live...i've yet to get a bad sound out of it and I still haven't even tapped into everything the amp can do. It along with my JSX are 2 of the best/most versatile amp purchases I've ever made and I've owned (cliched term here) a ton of top of the line stuff. I only have one of 2 amp purchases left to make, that's either the VHT SigX or the EVH III. And not to replace my amps that I have but just because I'm an amp whore and like to spend money. Honestly I'm completely gasless until after lunch that is.
 
blackba":rp2mm6td said:
Any reason you are not considering a JCM800 either reissue or a used one?

I went with a Marshall 2553 to compliment my mesa mark IV and it has worked out great. But with the current prices of the silver jubilees and slash heads, its no longer a great option.

Only thing I might be worried about with a JVM and a mark IV is knob overload. That could be too many options between the 2 amps.....

Yep I was concerned about knob overload, I was just looking for more of a one trick pony type of Marshall, where its one of those days that I just feel like playing so I can plug in and get a Killer sound most of the time without tweaking. Would a Vintage Modern be kind of what I am looking for?

How are most Marshall's at lower volume? As a reference for the volume I play my Mark IV through is 2 on Lead and 2 on Master. Not sure what the Marshall Equiv would be :confused:
 
cyndicate":19y3l35x said:
blackba":19y3l35x said:
Any reason you are not considering a JCM800 either reissue or a used one?

I went with a Marshall 2553 to compliment my mesa mark IV and it has worked out great. But with the current prices of the silver jubilees and slash heads, its no longer a great option.

Only thing I might be worried about with a JVM and a mark IV is knob overload. That could be too many options between the 2 amps.....

Yep I was concerned about knob overload, I was just looking for more of a one trick pony type of Marshall, where its one of those days that I just feel like playing so I can plug in and get a Killer sound most of the time without tweaking. Would a Vintage Modern be kind of what I am looking for?

How are most Marshall's at lower volume? As a reference for the volume I play my Mark IV through is 2 on Lead and 2 on Master. Not sure what the Marshall Equiv would be :confused:
The JVM sounds great at low volumes...even whisper volumes...same as the JSX.

With the JVM (using your watch as an example in terms of settings)...OD1 on amber, Vol @2, Bass @3, Mid @12, Treb @12, Gain @12, Res @ 3, Pres @1, Master @ barely on....sounds great.
 
D/FW XJ'er":3ibadv86 said:
Man up and come to the Austin Ampfest in May. Killertone had his JVM roaring at the last one, and did not fit your description at all. Maybe you just suck at dialing in an amp> :lol: :LOL:

It's ridiculously easy to dial in. That has nothing to do with it.

It's a modern design based on getting its sound completely from the preamp, and if you just crank the hell out of it try and overdrive the power amp, the result isn't exactly what you'd get out of the average Marshall.

Turning it up loud and turning it up all the way to overdrive the power amp and change the sound, what I'd generally consider people to mean when they talk about "cranking" an amp, are two totally different things. It does not take well to the latter in my experience, nor is there a reason to do so to begin with, yet I constantly see people saying you have to "crank" them to make them sound good. It's totally the opposite.
 
SgtThump":2i0q3yfh said:
I thought the JVM was a pretty good sounding amp, but it was "too much" for me. Mainly waaaaaaaay too much distortion in the higher gain modes (orange/red on channels 2 and 3) and not enough in the other modes. I couldn't find a happy medium. Dial the distortion down on those high gain modes and the amp gets too thin for me. Dial it up where it gets thicker and it's waaaaaaaay too much distortion for me. I still prefer the DSL50 out of the "newish" Marshalls.

So far, the Vintage Modern hasn't done a thing for me yet. That doesn't mean I won't get one to try it sometime, though. :)

Chris

Guess I will have to go into a GC and try out everything, been listening to the Peacemaker clips and I am really digging the tone, I've also been listening to a few Splawn clips, so I think I might lean toward a Peacemaker or a Splawn now. Have you tried any of the Splawn Amps Chris? Also how are you liking the Peacemaker so far?
 
I took a chance and purchased a quickrod without ever trying one. I got mine near new for $1200, and it feels like one of the better deals I've done :D I love this thing for what it does!

If you can find one at a decent price, pick it up, if it's not for you, I think it's a pretty easy resale (at least that was my logic). It was better than expected for me. Well worth the money.
 
bunghole":16horo6p said:
The problem I have with those is that with ten million knobs it takes forever to dial anything in.

Are you bringing your Jubilee? That's basically a JCM 800 right?

Once you get past the 20+ knobs on the front and break it into the 4 channels, they're easier to dial in than you'd think.

If I have room in the car I'll bring the Jubilee. Last time it was only on for a few minutes , while Shea and Killertone ripped it up. More than likely I'll just bring the new to me '62 Fender Concert I bought from Worldoftone. Of course with the Fenders he brought I might not even need to bring that. :D I could be completely lazy and just show up with my SG.


OneArmedScissor":16horo6p said:
It's ridiculously easy to dial in. That has nothing to do with it.

It's a modern design based on getting its sound completely from the preamp, and if you just crank the hell out of it try and overdrive the power amp, the result isn't exactly what you'd get out of the average Marshall.

Turning it up loud and turning it up all the way to overdrive the power amp and change the sound, what I'd generally consider people to mean when they talk about "cranking" an amp, are two totally different things. It does not take well to the latter in my experience, nor is there a reason to do so to begin with, yet I constantly see people saying you have to "crank" them to make them sound good. It's totally the opposite.

What is your experience with the "average" Marshall? Again, Killertone had his sounding awesome, and nothing like your description. It was also "cranked" up. I'll restate that you suck at dialing in amps. Come to the ampfest and prove me wrong. If he brings his JVM again, then it will be sitting with several other non master Marshalls...
 
Nothing like my description?!? I said one tiny little thing in passing that could even be construed as negative, and you act as if I went into great detail to slander the amp.

All I said was that it gets muddy if you turn it ALL the way up. It makes perfect sense why that would happen. I never said the amp was a piece of shit ridden with design flaws that could never sound good, or something like that.

The average Marshall is not REMOTELY like the JVM. I'm not even going to bother going into that one.
 
I LOVE my JVM! It sounds incredible and records like a dream! VM is a really cool amp, but to me, the JVM sounds better and is so much more fun to play....I really dig it. Good luck!
 
My 2 cents...

The JVM is pretty nice for someone whos needs/wants a lot of tones with a very decent onboard reverb. Very nice clean and MIDI capable. All very cool. I found that I was pretty much only boosting the Crunch chanel. Within a few weeks of that I played the VM. Fell in love with the VM. Played 2 more times and realized the VM had the better crunch tone. Clearer with more crunch. Sure enough I boosted it with my Keeley SD-1 and really can't say I regret parting with the JVM. Besides the JVM has a rather loose bottom end. Besides I think I'd rather have a Mk IV than a JVM if I were to go back to a channel switcher. Thats splitting hairs as they both were great amps to own. But I digress... When it comes to Marshalls I basically like boosting them. For me the VM is the better amp.
 
OneArmedScissor":3pc6d9v4 said:
Nothing like my description?!? I said one tiny little thing in passing that could even be construed as negative, and you act as if I went into great detail to slander the amp.

All I said was that it gets muddy if you turn it ALL the way up. It makes perfect sense why that would happen. I never said the amp was a piece of shit ridden with design flaws that could never sound good, or something like that.

The average Marshall is not REMOTELY like the JVM. I'm not even going to bother going into that one.

And I responded back saying you suck at dialing in amps if that's the result you got. :lol: :LOL:

Then went on to say, that you can come to the Austin ampfest and hear people that do know how to dial it in. :thumbsup:
 
You win. You have an opinion, like myself, only you must be correct, and I must suck at dialing in amps. There are absolutely no variables, and there is no other possible conclusion that is remotely as logical.
 
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