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Candiria
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That's a good point. I would think an earlier version because it gives more variety, and if that amp setup is real then it gives a logical flow. Clean, Crunch, Lead.
But...no clue haha
That's a good point. I would think an earlier version because it gives more variety, and if that amp setup is real then it gives a logical flow. Clean, Crunch, Lead.
But...no clue haha
TheGreatGreen
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Some people are talking as if Gibson has taken every malicious action possible to destroy the next Mark amp and nuke Mesa into the ground overnight despite the total lack of any evidence whatsoever to support that idea.
Nobody here is naive enough to think it’s not eventually possible moving forward, but as of now there is *zero* evidence that the Mark 6 (or 7 whatever it ends up being), which started development years before the sale, has been negatively impacted by the buyout.
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Meeotch
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Man, I have an HRG IIB (loop modded) with RP-9C and it is significantly looser than either of my Green Stripe III's. That being said, it may be my favorite Mark...it has a mid range grind that absolutely slays. I sure hope they can truly capture the feel of the IIB in this one, as I think it is more special than many realize.
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Racerxrated
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Interesting; my and Gjos 2B Coliseums had that board...definitely tight vs loose. But maybe the power section has more to do with it...
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Krull
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Mesa was putting out mediocre products long before Gibson bought them out. Mark V and up
Meeotch
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Very possible, and I'd love to try a Coli some day. I wouldn't call my IIB loose per se, and the loop mod definitely has taken it to a new level.
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braintheory
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I’d bet the power section is likely a big factor here
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braintheory
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Nothing to do with Gibson for me nor do I care about that. It’s simply that they peaked over 30 years ago now with the Rev C, D, IIC+ and only went downhill from there. It’s like they went through puberty in the opposite direction, but more gradual over those ~30’s with them getting that more flat, newer amp sound progressively over time
TheGreatGreen
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Gotcha. Well, agree to disagree then.
The Recto Multi Watt, Mark V:25, Fillmore, and California Tweed amps are all world class in my book.
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Strandberg Junkie
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Gotcha. Well, agree to disagree then.
The Recto Multi Watt, Mark V:25, Fillmore, and California Tweed amps are all world class in my book.
V:25 gets overlooked cause of its kinda lunchbox look. Thing is a beast and I've read that opinion a lot.
Made the top 8 here:
https://www.musicradar.com/news/boogie-wonderland-8-of-the-best-mesaboogie-guitar-amps
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braintheory
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Their newer amps certainly have nice convenient features & flexibility over their older ones, but any amp I’d put as truly deserving of world class status (which I feel gets so over used btw) needs to have a sufficient degree of complexity & nuance to tone that I’ve so far not yet heard in any amp made in the last ~30 years other than just the Alessandro’s & Larry Wrecky 30. Those guys seem to be among the few exceptions that know how to achieve it. Almost all others to my ears that I’ve owned or tried (while some still amazing in their own ways) imho just are too sterile/flat to me when AB’ed. The AB is the crucial part that exposes the flaws/holes imo. In my main field of classical guitar we’ve got the same problem sadlyGotcha. Well, agree to disagree then.
The Recto Multi Watt, Mark V:25, Fillmore, and California Tweed amps are all world class in my book.
Tonelover
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All sounds interesting but dammit, I had a Mark V and sold it just because there were too dang many controls. I'd love to check one of these out but sounds like an even more complex V which is the last thing I need. If they cut down on the knobs and switches which I doubt, I could be even more tempted.
TheGreatGreen
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Not to be that guy, but even if those modes are the real ones, that's still only part of the story.
-are they bringing back separate gain and drive controls for channels 2 and 3?
-one GEQ or two, like the JP2C?
-no extreme mode listed, but since that mode was just the Mark IV mode with negative feedback disabled, will there be a global NF control?
-coffee grinder?
Hyping things up with speculation like this is stupid, I know. All that "yeah but what if??" stuff almost never happens. But hey it's fun to take wild guesses.
Bossman415
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@Tonelover from your lips to God’s ears!
I think they learned that lesson with the success of the JP-2C.
It has great features without overdoing it with with switches to switch switches.
IIBornotIIB
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I’ve had a few IIB’s over the years: The loop-modded RP9A HRG was a great amp, The loop modded RP9C HRG was better. The non-loop modded RP9C KRG is an altogether different beast. A monster….tight, raw and crushing.
Tonelover
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Yeah, that's why I'm sitting here with a couple JP-2C's. A new JP-2C style with crunch channel instead of the way they have 2 and 3 now would be fine with me. They are great clean and full tilt but not so hot if I want in-between.
Techdeth
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Besr Mesa amp ever made ! Imo
Bossman415
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If you’re looking at it from a price point, need flexibility for live use, and don’t want to drop $5k+ for a IIC+, then yes.
If you’re looking for straight up tone and reliability… IIC+. That’s not a knock on the JP-2C IMHO.
All of the newer Mesa’s get me nervous when it comes to longterm reliability/longevity. They seem to get more compact/cramped internally with PCB’s on top of PCB’s. I can only imagine how expensive they’ll be to repair later on down the road.
Techdeth
RESIDENT ROCK PROFESSOR
my 3++ green is hyper agressive and that part of the sound is why it’s my perfect Mesa . It sounds pissed as fuck in a good way
Bossman415
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@Techdeth did you have Mike 3++ mod it?
If so, did you guys leave the output section wired for pentode?