Mid cut on Herbert

[base341]

I've had the Herbert for a while now and have played through it a lot at all different volume levels.
So far I like using the mid cut only at lower volumes. On channel 2+ after getting the amp cranked up to about 9:00 or so with the channel volume at 12:00 I've noticed it starts to sound a little thin. I've been turning the mid cut off and running the eq's at 12:00 and that sounds fuller and fatter at that volume.
Anyone else do this?
It's going to take months to figure out everything this thing is capable of...
This thing is made to be played loud

 

[RJF]

I use the mid cut on every channel, all the time. To me it makes it sound like a completely different amp.

 

[gbsmusic]

I use the mid cut on every channel, all the time. To me it makes it sound like a completely different amp.

I do too! I run it at about 10:00, I think it just sounds fuller with better bite!

 

[base341]

I was playing with someone else last week that had a Splawn and with the mid cut on the Herbert seemed to get lost a little. The amp seemed to cut through better with the mid cut off.
I guess that's when I first noticed it.

How do you guys run the Herbert in a band setting?

 

[ttosh]

I was playing with someone else last week that had a Splawn and with the mid cut on the Herbert seemed to get lost a little. The amp seemed to cut through better with the mid cut off.
I guess that's when I first noticed it.

How do you guys run the Herbert in a band setting?

Splawns are very mid heavy amps, you would not want to run the mid cut with the Splawn if you want to cut. Also most mid cuts and scoops sound great when playing alone, but in a mix or with other guitars in a room that are mid heavy you will find yourself getting lost, just my .02

 

[Mizati20]

I hate saying this... and I know some people consider it blasphemy... but the Herbert gets lost in the mix when up against just about any amp... trust me I've been there and witnessed it... amazing fucking amp tho...

This is with EL34s and the mid-cut off and the mid knob dimed... yes I know how to dial in an amp... LoL

 

[xmartx]

I hate saying this... and I know some people consider it blasphemy... but the Herbert gets lost in the mix when up against just about any amp... trust me I've been there and witnessed it... amazing fucking amp tho...

This is with EL34s and the mid-cut off and the mid knob dimed... yes I know how to dial in an amp... LoL

I wouldn't go that far, but from my experience I can say that you can easily get lost with the Herbert against a midheavy cutting amp when playing highgain stuff. We tried again in the last band practice and my bandmate with a Engl Blackmore through V30 could easily bury the Herbert (also on V30) on any settings when he turned up the mids and presence. I literally tried everything, crank mids, crank presence and highs, turn down bass and gain and the midcut was off anyway. Not a chance unless I drowned him in volume. However if we work on the settings together we can get an awesome band tone.

 

[prsdiezel]

I hate saying this... and I know some people consider it blasphemy... but the Herbert gets lost in the mix when up against just about any amp... trust me I've been there and witnessed it... amazing fucking amp tho...

This is with EL34s and the mid-cut off and the mid knob dimed... yes I know how to dial in an amp... LoL

I don't see how you can get lost in the mix with 180 watt amp? Really??? I can drown out the drummer with the Herbert and the other guitarist. If you're not cutting threw turn the amp up louder and the Bass down and the Mid knob dimed after 2 oclock adds more bass.

I don't have a problem cutting threw never have with the Herbert

Hell I can't even turn my trebles up past 1 oclock or I can feel them piercing threw my ears. The mids are at 1 oclock also and I always run my mid cut on My other guitarist has a Mesa 2;90 and a JMP 1 pre amp with full stack. The herbert cuts better than his rig even on leads. He loves the Herbert. Like he has major Gas for one now! Ands there's no competition in tone.

I don't know about the cutting threw the mix problem.

Its never been a problem for me.



Edit : Oh yeah I run SED EL34 winged C tubes and 2 Diezel 4x12 cabs. One Front load w V30S and one Rear load with x pattern V30s and 75s

 

[HerbieBoogie]

i am strange...

I NEVER EVER EVER USE THE MID CUT

gotta love der mids!

 

[van hellion]

I hate saying this... and I know some people consider it blasphemy... but the Herbert gets lost in the mix when up against just about any amp... trust me I've been there and witnessed it... amazing fucking amp tho...

This is with EL34s and the mid-cut off and the mid knob dimed... yes I know how to dial in an amp... LoL

this just isnt the case in my experience. Not one time have i ever had anything but front of house guys drooling over my live tones.

like i said, this is just my experience and im not saying you dont know how to dial an amp or anything but my herbert dominates the DFU mix. we have a heavy handed drummer, another guitarist who has a vht and a bass player who uses a big daddy aguilar amp with an 8x10. when i stop playing its like the entire mix falls out. not because of volume but because the herbert sits right in the middle of the mix. And all of the albums i have done for the band and myself all have the herbert at the center of the guitar sound. I use it on countless sessions as well.

but hey its an age old thing alot of guys say so who the hell am i

A Wood

 

[shadow070]

Andy, love youre tone man!

I also had problems cutting through. What also helps are pickups with a better mid range, thats where youre signal starts. Theres a big diference when using my blaze pickups and using lets say evo pickups. Another thing is youre cab, i know that the cab i was using back than that the place provided where i used to rehearse isnt good to run with the herbert.

At home i have a 1X12 that has a far better projection off mids than my 2X12 with the same speakers in it, both being a engl cab.

 

[xmartx]

Andy, love youre tone man!

I also had problems cutting through. What also helps are pickups with a better mid range, thats where youre signal starts. Theres a big diference when using my blaze pickups and using lets say evo pickups. Another thing is youre cab, i know that the cab i was using back than that the place provided where i used to rehearse isnt good to run with the herbert.

At home i have a 1X12 that has a far better projection off mids than my 2X12 with the same speakers in it, both being a engl cab.

I also thought the cab was my main problem but by now I have tried several cabs including Diezel and Engl to no avail. The only thing that really helped was setting our amps up for each other. I have to pretty much crank the mids and presence and keep the bass and deep low and my mate with the Blackmore has to basically scoop his mids and keep the presence below 12. Once he sets his mids to 2 and presence to 1 as his usual settings were, no chance with the Herbie unless I drown him in volume which is possible but not beneficial for the band sound.

 

[gbsmusic]

I hate saying this... and I know some people consider it blasphemy... but the Herbert gets lost in the mix when up against just about any amp... trust me I've been there and witnessed it... amazing fucking amp tho...

This is with EL34s and the mid-cut off and the mid knob dimed... yes I know how to dial in an amp... LoL

I played with a buddy last weekend that has an XTC (which I love , I've had 3 of them so I'm not blasting the XTC) and the XTC was non existent next to my Herbert, my amp just crushed it in every way!!!!!

 

[ttosh]

I hate saying this... and I know some people consider it blasphemy... but the Herbert gets lost in the mix when up against just about any amp... trust me I've been there and witnessed it... amazing fucking amp tho...

This is with EL34s and the mid-cut off and the mid knob dimed... yes I know how to dial in an amp... LoL

I played with a buddy last weekend that has an XTC (which I love , I've had 3 of them so I'm not blasting the XTC) and the XTC was non existent next to my Herbert, my amp just crushed it in every way!!!!!

XTC has very dark and low mids IMHO. Had two and loved them both very much. The Engl Blackmore was not a very mid apparent amp, at least not the one I owned. Interesting that it is killing the Herbert, I know the Blackmore cuts well but did not think it would do what is being stated with the Herbert.

So many factors to tone. I was thinking of getting a Herbert but reading this has me wondering now.

 

[xmartx]

I hate saying this... and I know some people consider it blasphemy... but the Herbert gets lost in the mix when up against just about any amp... trust me I've been there and witnessed it... amazing fucking amp tho...

This is with EL34s and the mid-cut off and the mid knob dimed... yes I know how to dial in an amp... LoL

I played with a buddy last weekend that has an XTC (which I love , I've had 3 of them so I'm not blasting the XTC) and the XTC was non existent next to my Herbert, my amp just crushed it in every way!!!!!

XTC has very dark and low mids IMHO. Had two and loved them both very much. The Engl Blackmore was not a very mid apparent amp, at least not the one I owned. Interesting that it is killing the Herbert, I know the Blackmore cuts well but did not think it would do what is being stated with the Herbert.

So many factors to tone. I was thinking of getting a Herbert but reading this has me wondering now.

I don't know what it is about the Blackmore of my bandmate, but this thing is the most dominant amp I have heard so I'm not blaming all on the Herbert. I also have a Framus Cobra that is very strong in the mids and even the Cobra has a hard time against this Blackmore even though he can't drown it as much as the Herbert. I haven't heard any other Blackmores so I can't compare but it's one of the first series.

 

[ttosh]

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when i stop playing its like the entire mix falls out. not because of volume but because the herbert sits right in the middle of the mix.

This is caused by an amazing guitar player taking a break, any amp would do well here!!

 

[PaulyPanacea]

this just isnt the case in my experience. Not one time have i ever had anything but front of house guys drooling over my live tones.

like i said, this is just my experience and im not saying you dont know how to dial an amp or anything but my herbert dominates the DFU mix. we have a heavy handed drummer, another guitarist who has a vht and a bass player who uses a big daddy aguilar amp with an 8x10. when i stop playing its like the entire mix falls out. not because of volume but because the herbert sits right in the middle of the mix. And all of the albums i have done for the band and myself all have the herbert at the center of the guitar sound. I use it on countless sessions as well.

but hey its an age old thing alot of guys say so who the hell am i

A Wood

Im in the same boat as Andy....just not the same leauge!

My Herbie torches on stage. and i dont use the mid cut @ all. i actually have been using channel 2- ( yes...i said 2-) and its really rocking!!!

 

[base341]

Thanks for chiming in Pauly..
How did you get the sound for "stay"? It sounds killer and really cuts through.
Great song btw

 

[PaulyPanacea]

Thanks man!! what sound are you asking about? many tones in that song. PM me & i will let u in on some secrets..

 

[MARK2C]

I absolutely adore the Herbert with the mid cut off. It reminds me personally of a more slippery, saggy, gooey and forgiving VH4.
I've spent months working with the mid cut settings and to me I find that 11:00 and 8:45 (Thank you Andy!!!) are sweet spots
with the Level at 12:30. At 11:00 you get just enough cut for effortless chording and easy chugging, but at 8:45 you get a growl and punch that is just phenomenal.
Like a 900 pound Grizzly in your face !!! The most interesting time I have had with Herbert has been matching it up to different cabinets.
It's so extremely different when using FL's, RL's and really reacts to different speakers to the point where it's almost a different amp.
As often, less is more. I've seen too many vid's where the treble was too high and the mids were sucked out to death
(Scratches head and says"That doesn't even sound like a Herbert").
Close your eyes and listen. Your midrange will find it's way out and it will cut through with punch and clarity.