Mike Soldano talks about EVH's Marshall

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Hello Rocksoff,Jose was a engineer at Vox he designed the super beetle amp after he left Vox he then went to work at Ampeg.Jose first ran into Edward in 1970.Eds Marshall at the time had a unstable bias voltage also a bad transformer.Jose did work for (before he ran into Ed)ricky nelson,iron butterfly,the beach boys and the rolling stones.Jose shop was located at 4624 cedros ave. in sherman oaks CA.Anyway glad that you are a new member here, Rig Talk is a great site....... :thumbsup:
 
Juan aprroves :thumbsup:
Editors note...Juan was Jose's 1/2 cousin and knew him briefly. Also Juan is a mechanical wizard himself.
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Mailman1971":e1kn49s9 said:
Juan aprroves :thumbsup:
Editors note...Juan was Jose's 1/2 cousin and knew him briefly. Also Juan is a mechanical wizard himself.
Mods Lawn Mowers....Snow Blowers...Weed Whackers....if you need his personal info PM me.

His "Burro" mods are legendary
 
I can't believe this still gets debated, if pete thorns sl68 clips at the end of the video are not enough proof of a stock amp with a bigger cap on v2, I don't know what it will take to make people believe.. That part of the video with the super distortion nails VH 1 tone to me...
 
Kudos to Dave Friedman and john suhr for all they have shared about the amp...
 
Rocksoff":xter0ctm said:
Jose is a red herring that some people chase.

Jose wasn't known as a tone magician before VH broke through and why would Ed go to him except that he was able to get to him and Jose was probably not too expensive.

It's also pretty obvious that Jose was telling different people different things, a pedal, 2 different amp setups, master volume etc etc.

Ed was buying and selling a fair few amps around that 75/76 period and taking some of them to Jose for servicing makes sense.

Ed did not have his Marshall or other Marshall's around 1973, and he's pictured playing a Bandmaster and Ed himself has said he used to use the Bandmaster and also at home for practicing because he could do the low volume trick with it at home.

So the Marshall's probably start around 1974 and Ed bought and sold a few and he had a European one for a while that gave him the idea of using something like a Variac.

The Variac dropping the voltage, drops the power and alters the balance of the amp as Mike Soldano says to around 35 watts with the amp dimed, with the Variac dropping the voltage down to 90 volts.

So, it's not a 100 watt amp anymore and one cabinet can easily be used with it and Ed says that he sometimes dropped the voltage down below 90, depending on things.

All of that has little to do with Jose, and the knob or switch at the back of the amp could have been anything and a similar thing was not installed in Ed's other amps so whatever it was, it couldn't have been that important as if it was that important, then it would be in all of Ed's amps

I can't see the need for it to be a master volume btw (Jose's master volume diode thing just smooths out the distortion and drops the volume) because of the variac enabling dropping the amps power but still enabling the amp to be dimed and a thing like the one wire mod is not really needed to get Ed's gain level which is more than a PAF through a dimed Plexi as Mike Soldano said, but the gain level is veering more towards a 2203 but a 2203 gain level and compression isn't it and the gain level is more like a 13k pickup used with the Variac/Plexi and still getting the Plexi circuit headroom but there is more to the headroom and sustain thing .

Ed's Echoplex's are interesting because Ed bought them new when the Echoplex EP-3's were coming out with compressor circuits modelled on a MXR Dyna-Comp set to a medium type of compression.

Ed had the echo on a lot for the slight slapback echo, making the guitar sound bigger and wider and more 3D.

Ed bought a fair few Mighty Mites and even had a clear bobbin Mighty Mite in the Bee for a while, meaning that he bought a fair few Mighty Mites from Wayne Charvel and Ed has a Mighty Mite distortion in the Ibanez Destroyer in 1978 photos.

So the stock PAF stories are just that and Ed got hold of Seymour around late 1977/early 1978 to get some PAF's rewound with more wire (and therefore output) and Seymour was trying to sell the Custom (13k ceramic) as the EVH pickup until Ed stopped him.

The much later Seymour EVH pickup (9k A2) can basically be dismissed as it's way past Seymour's earlier EVH Custom pickup and I think the Seymour EVH pickup is just marketing and is so different to what Ed actually used that Seymour knows Ed would not come after him again.

So what it is so far, Plexi dropped down to 90 or less volts and being fed by a Echoplex with medium compression/sustain with snapback echo and a 13k pickup, and it's a pretty unique setup capable of gain/sustain but still combined with the Plex's headroom.

Also the phase for solos and flanger for a few things.

The 13k pickup was probably ceramic but at some point he did get to A2's.

Ed could have even got PAF's rewound to 16k with A2's (a JB like spec).

The way Ed was using his amps on the 1978 World Tour was in a 3 amps daisy chained together config (with a variac) and he had 3 sets (of 3 daisy chained amps) making a total of 9 (or more) amps.

This setup was for the bigger venues of the 1978 world tour and would have little in common with his club or recording setups.

Ed had an Eruption(Franky)/YRGM(Destroyer) live setup where he changed from one group of 3 daisy chained amps to another quickly because of needing to include the Univox in the Eruption signal chain and then quickly changing to a signal chain without the Univox for YRGM or sometimes something else.

So that's a lot of variables plus there are all of the VH1 recording variables with the Sunset Sound echo chamber and mic positions etc etc.

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The Warner Brothers demos (March/April 1977) were recorded just before Ed got onto tapping from seeing Harvey Mandel in mid 1977.

There is no tapping on the Warner Brothers demos and Ed's gear would have been very similar to the VH1 gear (VH1 probably recorded August/September 1977).

The production is just basic on the Warner Brothers demos and there is no huge Sunset Sound echo chamber reverb on it as it's just a Ted Templeman and Donn Landee demo.

So if someone wants a better idea of Ed's so called great sound without the gloss, then listen to the Warner Brothers demos that have minimal production.

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Ed used his own gear for the Gene Simmons demos as it was recorded in LA but the overdubs were done in New York and the overdubbed bits were done in New York maybe with borrowed amps.

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The amp that the techs saw can be ID'd by it's serial number and some of them have verified it was the serial of the so called main amp.




Rocksoff is right about the 13K ceramic p'u(Duncan custom) slamming the front end of ed's plexi(which was stock but also one of the real sweet ones that had more breakup)plus the EP3 acting like a dynacomp,the variac,
Most any older plexi will get the VH I gain with those pieces of gear.
I really don't see why the mystery for some? if you use the above mentioned gear as eddie did
it will get the gain on VH I and sound like he did live or on the warner demo.
Forget trying to get it to sound just like VH I unless you have a day rented at sunset studio with all the same studio gear that recorded that record
everything Rocksoff said is the ticket and would not be surprised if he was there to see it as well :thumbsup:
 
Then why did he switch to a Soldano SLO, then the Peavey 5150, then the EVH 5153 amp ? ALL of which are high gain right out of the box ??? Ed LIKES the gain...
 
Chubtone":1qa866qs said:
JCMLesPaul came into my store today and started talking about this thread. He mentioned that if you remember when Van Halen split there was this obvious competition between David Lee Roth and the new Van Hagar camp as to who was going to put out the better album. Van Halen went in a much softer, more keyboard direction and Roth was all about returning to the sound of early VH.

I think it is pretty well documented that Roth insisted that Vai use a Jose modded Marshall on that Eat Em And Smile record even though Vai was already well established as a Carvin endorsee. A few years later, again well documented, Roth insisted that Jason Becker use Jose modded Marshalls when he joined the band and Roth had Jose do a couple of amps for Jason. Joe Holmes ended up using those amps when he toured with Roth to replace Becker.

Now this proves absolutely nothing, but it really makes you wonder. Eddie went off into Soldano land and Roth insisted his guitar players use Jose modded Marshalls. Does this make anyone else wonder what's up with that?

I just listened to an interview from Steve Stevens last night stating that Steve Vai used all His marshall amps on the eat em and smile record becasue they were recording in NYC and Vai's carvins were not up to the challange. check out minute 46:00 on this interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dP5JhIjyUk
 
sixty-niner":wnx4q7p6 said:
Chubtone":wnx4q7p6 said:
JCMLesPaul came into my store today and started talking about this thread. He mentioned that if you remember when Van Halen split there was this obvious competition between David Lee Roth and the new Van Hagar camp as to who was going to put out the better album. Van Halen went in a much softer, more keyboard direction and Roth was all about returning to the sound of early VH.

I think it is pretty well documented that Roth insisted that Vai use a Jose modded Marshall on that Eat Em And Smile record even though Vai was already well established as a Carvin endorsee. A few years later, again well documented, Roth insisted that Jason Becker use Jose modded Marshalls when he joined the band and Roth had Jose do a couple of amps for Jason. Joe Holmes ended up using those amps when he toured with Roth to replace Becker.

Now this proves absolutely nothing, but it really makes you wonder. Eddie went off into Soldano land and Roth insisted his guitar players use Jose modded Marshalls. Does this make anyone else wonder what's up with that?

I just listened to an interview from Steve Stevens last night stating that Steve Vai used all His marshall amps on the eat em and smile record becasue they were recording in NYC and Vai's carvins were not up to the challange. check out minute 46:00 on this interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dP5JhIjyUk

cool interview man. Makes me wonder how the first blue murder album sounded with Ray? I love that album...
 
paulyc":3kne6tnf said:
Then why did he switch to a Soldano SLO, then the Peavey 5150, then the EVH 5153 amp ? ALL of which are high gain right out of the box ??? Ed LIKES the gain...
yes evidently he does :D
What is really strange about eddie is a lot of his sig gear is a direct contradiction to what he said he liked and did not like about gear in his interviews.
Think about it, he said he did not like dimarzio super d pickups, but had them in a LOT of his guitars?
He said he did not like a lot of distortion but yet his first sig amp is a high gain monster?
He said he did not like skinny necks yet his first sig guitar(EBMM) had a very small skinny neck not to mention very hot pu's as well?
all i can say is either his tastes changed over the years or he is a friggin BS artist! :lol:
 
Never really gave 2 cents about what he used..What I do know is that this is badazz..especially since this is 1977..

 
a metaphor 4or life.....this myth is like.......an eternally drifting internet ghost
it is at this point predictable and on time
many will chime in
some know something true
others not at all
it floats in the ionosphere of the webs looking for a thread to settle in
once it does ......the same round of talk ensues,no one who wasn't a pro bench tech can really speak on it with any real authority
freidman and suhr pop in,level the bullshit with reality,people beg to differ or agree......
nitro does his thing,RIP rockstah,new hi gain small run amps are born in garages and spare rooms of homes all over the globe in honor of the ultimate high gain marshall tone,mark cameron gets bashed
god [ed] laughs
old people die,babies are born,taxes are paid,the sun rises again,the earth spins on it's axis [he knows everything]
when looking "up" at the stars at night we are actually looking down into the void of space.....due to gravity it appears as "up"
mod-ed or not mod-ed for that is not the question or is it?
phase 90 on [jose mod-ed script log set to slow]
as we travel........the universe
 
Rdodson":29jgoem3 said:
Y'all know that the Van Halens were poor, right? That Eddie lived with his parents nearly until he got married?

8.7dc PAF into a stock 12000 series plexi circuit cranked into era-correct Greenbacks: https://youtu.be/Uh-iqH12pbI?list=UUA7lF ... iLsseJDxjQ
then how did he buy those plexi's?
He owned a few before the first record even came out
as well as a '58 gold top and a 60's ES 335 and a 50's lp jr
Not bad for a poor family :lol: :LOL:
The lower output PAF came into the picture after VH I.
VH II is a real good example of the PAF.
VH I is ceramic all the way.
those mighty mites and dimarzios even showed up later on his touring guitars
like the unchained strat,the rasta, the rude,the star, the dragon and the shark.
I love the way he says he does not like super d type pu's then has just about every guitar loaded with one?
Eddie is still my fav but when he talks gear i don''t believe a friggin thing he says :lol: :LOL:
 
charvelstrat81":hlql6cbs said:
Rdodson":hlql6cbs said:
Y'all know that the Van Halens were poor, right? That Eddie lived with his parents nearly until he got married?

8.7dc PAF into a stock 12000 series plexi circuit cranked into era-correct Greenbacks: https://youtu.be/Uh-iqH12pbI?list=UUA7lF ... iLsseJDxjQ
then how did he buy those plexi's?
He owned a few before the first record even came out
as well as a '58 gold top and a 60's ES 335 and a 50's lp jr
Not bad for a poor family :lol: :LOL:
The lower output PAF came into the picture after VH I.
VH II is a real good example of the PAF.
VH I is ceramic all the way.
those mighty mites and dimarzios even showed up later on his touring guitars
like the unchained strat,the rasta, the rude,the star, the dragon and the shark.
I love the way he says he does not like super d type pu's then has just about every guitar loaded with one?
Eddie is still my fav but when he talks gear i don''t believe a friggin thing he says :lol: :LOL:

Classic guitars were CHEAP back then because no one wanted them. I remember when I started playing you could buy '50s Strats all day long for dirt. Old Plexis weren't THAT expensive either. I remember buying my 12XXX Marshall for $950 and that was in '89 and everybody knew that was what he used. His 335 was pretty torn up. I don't know anything about the '58 Gold Top before signing...I do know the white LP Custom was stolen.
 
I would also point out that Ed stated that the BEST tone he ever got was sitting around his house with the white Fender Bandmaster cranked on 10 plugged into ONLY the extension speaker jack, bypassing the main speaker jack, which causes fuzzed out mayhem at low volume levels, which makes me wonder if the Fender is blended with the Marshall on the first record...the Marshall would give it the balls and power and the Fender would give the fizzy/fuzzy stuff, then add in that EMT plate reverb being super bright and there you go... If the Bandmaster was his favorite tone, I'm sure it was at the studio for VHI, and Eddie being an experimental kind of guy would probably pipe up and say mic this up and blend it in...
 
paulyc":3hyna04u said:
I would also point out that Ed stated that the BEST tone he ever got was sitting around his house with the white Fender Bandmaster cranked on 10 plugged into ONLY the extension speaker jack, bypassing the main speaker jack, which causes fuzzed out mayhem at low volume levels, which makes me wonder if the Fender is blended with the Marshall on the first record...the Marshall would give it the balls and power and the Fender would give the fizzy/fuzzy stuff, then add in that EMT plate reverb being super bright and there you go... If the Bandmaster was his favorite tone, I'm sure it was at the studio for VHI, and Eddie being an experimental kind of guy would probably pipe up and say mic this up and blend it in...

I think the Bandmaster was his favorite amp in that he could play it and not get his ass kicked by Eugenia.
 
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