NAD!! The Herbert is here!!!!

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Let me start by saying, I have to bust my ass for my gear... between my son, all my bills, just a fuck-ton of "Life" in general, and only being 25, I don't have the means yet to put together some of the phenomenal rigs that you guys have, some day though :) That being said, the fact that this thing is sitting in my house is much more then just a Happy New Amp Day for me, I really almost feel accomplished, I have wanted a Diezel for forever and finally made it happen, today is actually a proud day for me.

WIth that out of the way, I'll give my best review, It wont be as in depth as some of the others here, mostly because I'm not that great at describing that sorta thing, but I'll definitely give it my best shot, I'll go from channel to channel....

I apologize for not having much to say about the actual responsiveness of the EQ and related things, I put everything at noon on the amp and literally havent moved anything since, but from what I've heard all the knobs are extremely responsive...

Channel 1:
I've owned only a couple "Boutique" heads, had several Mark IV's, Triple Rec's, Mesa's Express series, lots of high gainers, and I have to say, even though I was expecting a good clean channel after reading all the reviews and seeing plenty of Youtube videos, I honestly have to say that I was still extremely skeptical. I got rid of my Mark V to fund this purchase, and while I've never owned any Fender style amp, I honestly believe the Mark V has some of the BEST cleans I have ever heard, and I'm a big fan of a good clean sound. However, with the Mark V there is A LOT of knob turning and tweaking to get the amazing clean I am referring to, with the Herbert, I put all the knobs at noon, flipped the switch, and was immediately taken back at how amazing the clean instantly was... it is CRYSTAL clear and has a bell like chime to it that I have never really heard before, very different from my Mark V's cleans but at the same time I am loving them just as much. TONS of headroom here, I have absolutely no use for that "Near breakup" clean, I need super clean sounds for my band and this channel definitely seems that it will deliver, I turned the channel and master to noon and really dug into the strings and even though the walls were shaking, it was still clean as could be, amazing.

Channel 2:
This is where I will spend most of my time, please understand I've had the amp since about 8pm eastern time, so this is still a very early review, reason for saying that is I haven't spent much time on the "-" mode of channel 2, but I was very very happy when I discovered that the "+" mode will cover all the ground I need for my bands rhythm playing. The channel is very tight, but still has a looser quality to it that I'm very surprised that I actually like! (I'm a bit of that Mark sound fanboi) tons of mids here which is always a good thing for me, can get amazingly saturated and artificial harmonics seem to just jump off my strings. I honestly can't decide if I like the channel with the Mid-Cut or not, both sound amazing, I'll just have to pick whichever will suit me best for the band and the live environment, to dig deeper into not knowing which I like best, I find I can't really find a sound in this amp I don't like, which is quite amazing. Normal routine for me is to plug into an amp, and you immediately get an idea of what the amp offers and what it's voicing is, but you usually aren't immediately happy with what you hear and you tweak accordingly to find what your looking for, with the Herbert it seems every sound that comes out of it makes me grin, dare I say it's so amazingly versatile but I'm afraid I may not even take advantage of that fact due to how great it sounds with everything at noon, I tend to ramble so I'll try and get back on track. The channel has a very open and uncompressed voicing that can get very in your face, I find the presence seems to actually add more punch and saturation/gain (at least to my ears), a little tweaking of the mids and deep knob and I have some of the best low to mid-mid sounding distortion I've come across, and this is with the "+" gain at around 1:30!! If this amp were a 2 channel amp I'd still be just as content because of channel 2+

Channel 3:
I don't play in a metal band, and this channel to me is completely over the top, however I have found that it produces some of the most singing and liquid leads I have ever heard, the word "liquid" when used to describe a lead sound never really made much sense to me until I hear channel 3 on the Herbert, the notes just seem to melt into each other and have an almost violin like quality to them. I haven't used this channel much for riffing, and I don't really plan to, so I can't comment much on that. I definitely like the mid-cut engaged on this channel, unlike the other 2 the mid-cut seems to almost completely change the voicing of channel 3, and it is definitely what I prefer, I also find that I don't even use the "intensity" knob of the mid-cut feature, it's actually set to 0 and I just use the level and it seems to add a level of control over the tone that is very unique. I am not completely satisfied with my lead tone yet, and I actually end this review with a request from some of you guys here to maybe share some of your settings on channel 3 for a really singing lead tone, I play Les Paul studios and they are both loaded with JB/59's if that helps any...

There is so much more to say, I could go on and on and on, if anyone is reading this review that is debating on whether or not to pull the trigger on a Diezel, your hearing it straight from a person who has tried quite a bit of gear, and is very specific in the type of sound he likes, this head is nothing short of amazing, as I've heard someone in this forum say (which I use to think was ridiculous) sell all your gear and buy a Diezel... I did, and could not be happier, quite the risk since I was never able to play before I bought, and it is a bit daunting to send off all your amps for something you "hope" is going to deliver, but I have absolutely no regrets.

Apologies if the "review" turned into a bit of ranting and raving and rambling, but as I said I'm not the best at these things, this is actually the first amp to prompt me to even make a "NAD" thread...

Peter has already personally written me a couple E-mails when I had some question about biasing and I was completely taken back out how quickly he responded to me, I'm really happy to be a part of the Diezel family, the Diezel name has always been something that I held so high in my mind and my reason for doing so is definitely justified, sorry for the long post, going to get back to play, but of course here are a couple pics to go with the review.

Last but not least, thanks to Peter and the other guys at Diezel (sorry not very familiar with everyone yet) for making such an amazing piece of equipment, I know you hear it all the time, but for me to be kissing your ass is a big deal, you guys should be truly proud if what you have/are creating....

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Thank You very much !!!

The amp crew in Bad Steben:

Sawaki, Angelika, Lars, Herbert Diezel and Peter Diezel

The cab and head shell crew in Dillingen:

Ralf and Peter Stapfer
 
Wow the man himself!! Thanks so much!!! Just got done laying into her and it's about 4am in the morning, I wanna keep going but I can't keep my eyes open LoL.
 
:rock: enjoy man.

There was a list posted last week or the week before in one off the topics with different settings for the herbert, take a look at it, it hass deff. nice settings on it.
 
Nice, Mizati20!

Enjoy the beast, it's a very unique amp and endless tones are hidden away all over Herbert.

And please, Mizati20, do not do yourself a disservice and start thinking about swapping tubes until you've got several hours banging away at Herbert.

- David
 
As far as not having a rig as good as some of the guys on this forum.... You just bought the best head there is on the market, IMHO. Grab one of those LP's and a good cord and you have as good of a rig as anyone. :thumbsup:

Channel 2+ is awesome, I actually prefer this channel slightly over 3. Reason is 3 has a lot of compression and 2+ doesn't, giving such a big sound that cuts a little better. I run the gain dimed on 2 and use the mid cut feature with the intensity at about 50%, with the channel mids nearly dimed also.

Channel 3 I run basically the same, except for the gain at which stays around 2:00, and feel I have a pretty nice lead tone on both channels.

The thing is with the Herbert, is it's all in the mid cut for me, it completely alters the tone from not just the sensitivity of it, but the difference in tone with it off completely. I run it on, with all 3 channels. I think using it for your lead sound will help get a better liquidy lead tone.

Also, Herberts don't do well with Mesa Recto cabs. It sounds loose and flubby through those cabs for some reason.
 
Welcome aboard!! WOW - a brand spankin' new Herbie!!!! Hell YEAH I'd be excited too!!!! And a LEFTY to BOOT :lol: :LOL:

Enjoy it... This forum and its peeps are a terrific resource when buying into the Diezel Family. I've got a new VH4S but am gassing for a Herbie or an Einie, but that's my problem, you just hang back and enjoy the sonic experience Good Sir.

Namaste & Congrats!!
V.
 
welcome welcome welcome!!! enjoy rattling your fillings!!! :D
 
Thanks for the NAD wishes guys!!!

I actually love the way it sounds through the Mesa cab... I'm sure a Diezel cab would be 10x that but it's just not in the cards for me right now, (unless someone wants to trade! LoL) so I am content with what I have now, thankfully.

To the gentleman who mentioned swapping tubes, I really have made myself stay away from tube/speaker swapping and all that stuff, I know the way I am, and I don't want to delve into that world of options as it could get very expensive for me, I've made myself stay away from all that and I'm very glad, the only reason any tubes were swapped out was because 2 6l6's were bad when I was getting i biased, so I decided to go for another set of el34's, bringing the amp to 4 el34's and 2 6l6's, eventually I may go all el34 as I've heard some really good clips from that.

I do have on small issue, on channels 2 and 3 the amp is awfully noisy, I've owned plenty of high gainers and it's not the normal high gain hiss that I'm used to hearing, it's almost a bit of a buzzing sound, it gets louder as I add more gain obviously, but the strange part is, it only makes the sound when I am just plugged straight into the head with no effects, as soon as I hooked up my pedalboard through the effects loop the amp just now sounds like a regular high gainer. I am running a Boss NS-2 noise suppressor that has always worked WONDERS for me, and the noise is still there, it's not a power issue as I run it all off of the Voodoo labs pedal power 2, I've run into noise problems in the past because the power going to my pedals wasn't clean, and as I said it's only when running straight into the amp with no effects, as soon as I plug into the effects loop it seems to go away, I was thinking maybe a preamp tube swap? I'm very strapped for cash so if maybe someone could narrow it down to a specific tube position that would be great, seems everyone says to change V1 when something like this comes up.

As I said this isn't a huge issue because I will ALWAYS have something plugged into the effects loop when gigging or practicing, but I'm the type of person that want's my gear to always be in tip top shape regardless, so I would like to get it taken care of eventually, any suggestions would be greatly appreciated but regardless I am in heaven!!!

I actually rattled the nut that holds that speaker cable jack out of the back of my Mesa cabinet, that's how huge this thing sounds!! Love it!!
 
Yes...

Just try a 12AX7HG Ruby in V1, that should help the noise.

Best,

RoidRage
 
It keeps getting better!! Congrats man!! I'm so happy for you! :rock:
 
RJF":1ysl8wz8 said:
Also, Herberts don't do well with Mesa Recto cabs. It sounds loose and flubby through those cabs for some reason.
I was going to mention just this, RJF. The Mesa cabs sound good with a PV5150(II) but not with Herbert. It will pass but you'd need to swap out the speakers.

So Mizati20, do your self a great service and pick up any of the Diezel cabs, at the very least a 2x12 (F or R) loaded up and if you have a garage the Mesa will work real well propping up the door... :D
 
I dont understand the rear loaded front loaded business... is it the way the Diezel cab is BUILT that makes it better? Or is it the speakers? Or both, a new cab just isn't in the cards for me anytime soon, what about swapping out the speakers? Currently I have Vintage 30's, what would be better? I play Hard Rock and Alternative type stuff, not so much metal, but the gain knows are definitely getting used :) Thanks for the NAD wishes guys! Any other suggestions for V1 as far as preamp tubes go?
 
Mizati20":31k26s00 said:
I dont understand the rear loaded front loaded business... is it the way the Diezel cab is BUILT that makes it better? Or is it the speakers? Or both, a new cab just isn't in the cards for me anytime soon, what about swapping out the speakers? Currently I have Vintage 30's, what would be better? I play Hard Rock and Alternative type stuff, not so much metal, but the gain knows are definitely getting used :) Thanks for the NAD wishes guys! Any other suggestions for V1 as far as preamp tubes go?

Dude, if there's something I know about, it is speaker cab variety and solutions through trial and error. The Herbie definitely is at home with the front loaded GK100 cab. It also sounds awesome through a Bogner Ubercab which is a 4x12 with 2-V30's and 2-G12T75's in an X pattern. The Herbie is OK through the Recto cab, but not ideal. Its all about frequencies, resonance, and the cab volume (not loudness but cubic inches). The internal dimensions of the Recto is 30x27x12 and for the Diezel, Bogner and 90% of other cabs is about 27x26x11. The flub and farty sound you hear in the Recto cab at mild volumes with the Herbie (the VH4 is even worse) I figured had to be more related to the larger volume of the Recto cab and got to doing some checking around. There is nothing wrong with the build quality of a Mesa cab, otherwise I don't think you would them on as many stages as you do. The handle the Mesa's nicely though. Anyway, go down to your local hardware store and buy a roll, or some sheets of batting material, fiberglass insulation, foam rubber, or something similar, 1" or 1 1/2" thick. Remove the rear cover of the cab and apply this to the rear panel, and the 4 inside surfaces and corners. You will notice a huge difference in tone right from the start and the flub will be gone. For about $10, you can make it work for you, if you can't work out a Diezel cab in the meantime and get a big smile in the process. Don't be too concerned with speaker changes just yet either. But, if you could swing a couple Gt1275's to X pattern with the V30's (or K100's), you will be plenty happy with the modified Recto cab.

Steve
 
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