new vs. old Diezel cabs

[DEWD]

There is a little "discussion" on the HCAF about the difference between the new and old Diezel cabs.

Can someone describe the differences other than speakers and cosmetics? Are they built any different? Some seem to think that they are the same other than the speakers because of a youtube video interview with Peter S. Thanks!

 

[Ailean]

Peter S spent 9 months doing R & D for the new cabs, if all he did was change the drivers then I think Peter D would have shot him.

My understanding is that they have been overhauled top to bottom.

I have 2 of the new, but I've never had on of the old, so I can't compare.

 

[Duolos]

There has been much said here on the forum about this subject....and the new cabs do not compare to the old cabs. EVERYTHING is different. The comments that people at HCAF are attempting to point out that Peter Stapfer made on the said videos is taken incredibly out of context. The German cabinets he is commenting about are vastly different then the old Diezel cabinets in America. Now all Diezel cabinets are made in Germany and all Diezel cabinets have been redesigned.....even the old German ones. For people to say the old Diezel American cabs are no different then the new Diezel German cabs is untrue. There is a HUGE difference. There are some comments I read where people are providing feedback on cabs that have not yet hit the states. Again, there is much talk and 99.9% of it is way out of context.

The bottom line is the cabs were designed to compliment our amps. They do so very well. We have come up with a very good cabinet that took a lot of time to develop and is fairly priced. It sounds amazing and we know it does. The user feedback has proven this time and time again and that is all we care about. Our interest as a company has always been to provide proper tools for the guitar player to be inspired to create and to do so with excellence and enthusiasm. We feel we have lived up to that dream in all of our products.

Play more, talk less...let your ears decide. If our products work for you then that is wonderful. If not, thank you for trying our products and we wish you well in your search for the tone you are desiring.

 

[Ventura]

V.

 

[PaulyPanacea]

well said Terry!! Well said! Hope all is well with you!

 

[steve_k]

In talking with Peter Stapfer a few months back, he said that everything out of Germany is made of better quality birch and all the pieces are tooled by CMC programming on the saws. The joints are a tighter fit. Don't know if the cabs are any bigger than the old American models. Different grill cloth being used as well. I guess this makes some difference.

I am not sure who made the old American Diezel cabs, but I think Mojo Tone makes 99% of the cabinets for all US companies. So, many are made in the same shop, same wood, same carpenters, same assembly practices, different name. With the new German cabs, I would think there would be a large step in QA/QC as opposed to Bubba's Wood Works in Hacksaw, OK.

Steve

 

[PaulyPanacea]

Steve...i think u need one now!

 

[DEWD]

Well, all I know is that is sounds better than everything else I've tried with my VH4. You're right though, less internet chatting and more playing.

 

[scottph]

Some shots of the new cabs - so people can compare them to their old cabs...

Taken in Dillingen when I picked up my new cab.

I didn't take a pic of the CNC machine...

 

[thegame]

The comments that people at HCAF are attempting to point out that Peter Stapfer made on the said videos is taken incredibly out of context.

How so ? He said what he said quite clearly.

The German cabinets he is commenting about are vastly different then the old Diezel cabinets in America. Now all Diezel cabinets are made in Germany and all Diezel cabinets have been redesigned.....even the old German ones. For people to say the old Diezel American cabs are no different then the new Diezel German cabs is untrue. There is a HUGE difference.

Old German ones ? So they were made in Germany first, then the US, and now back in Germany ? From what I gathered from the videos, he said there IS a design difference, but its relatively minor as the speakers make a bigger difference.

Please note my questions are coming from a potential purchaser. Not trying to cause shit.

 

[Duolos]

The comments that people at HCAF are attempting to point out that Peter Stapfer made on the said videos is taken incredibly out of context.

How so ? He said what he said quite clearly.

The German cabinets he is commenting about are vastly different then the old Diezel cabinets in America. Now all Diezel cabinets are made in Germany and all Diezel cabinets have been redesigned.....even the old German ones. For people to say the old Diezel American cabs are no different then the new Diezel German cabs is untrue. There is a HUGE difference.

Old German ones ? So they were made in Germany first, then the US, and now back in Germany ? From what I gathered from the videos, he said there IS a design difference, but its relatively minor as the speakers make a bigger difference.

Please note my questions are coming from a potential purchaser. Not trying to cause shit.

He said what he said clearly...I agree, if taken in proper context which isn't happening. What he is commenting on is what is taken out of context by most. There have also been changes since that video segment was made. There once was German cabs and there was once American made cabs....this at one time was happening at the same time depending on location. We stopped making the cabinets in America, went to a brand new worldwide design and now ALL CABS ARE MADE IN GERMANY so now all markets have the same cab quality made in the same factory under the same specs, guidelines, etc. Where the issue lies with most american folks is that they compare comments made regarding old german cabs and translate that to the american market, the old american cabs THEN they try saying there is little to no difference between the old American made cabs and the new designed cabs made in Germany and THIS is completely untrue and thus my saying it is out of context and misconstrued. The difference between the old american cabs and the new designed cabs is more then the difference between the old german cabs and the new designed cabs. I hope this clarifies things.

The rear loaded cabinets have even been commented on and they have yet to hit american soil in production form. How people can comment on something that obviously has not hit the American market yet is amusing. Thus again, my statements that most of the talk is 99.9% inaccurate.

As I said, the bottom line is the cabinets sound wonderful with our amps and we are very happy with how they turned out. They may sound great with other brand amps and if so that is an added bonus. If you happen to like our cabinets we thank you for trying them and or purchasing them. If they do not suit your needs as a player we thank you for at least trying them and seeing for yourself.

 

[PaulyPanacea]

If anyone on the forum has any questions regarding the new & old cabinets...i have both. PM me and i will try & help. Maybe eliminate some quams or questions anyone may have. I know Terry, Peter & Peter S try their best to answer as many questions as they can..but thet are super busy these days. So i am willing to help anyone out since i own both cabinets & have tried different configurations in both of them. My "door" is always open..so feel free. I spend all my free time making noise...the other time i am at work..so i use that time to talk gear & such

 

[scottph]

Pauly, if you could: Make a comprehensive comparison for future reference between the cabs. Also, maybe you can take pics of both cabs' insides and post them here. I think this will clear up things very fast.

 

[Hard&Heavy]

Pauly
Lets try and hook up sometime towards the end of August. H&H.....(Greg)

 

[Duolos]

This will spin some of you out....lol....pics will only tell a partial story as a lot of the craftsmanship will be unseen. Unless you completely rip off tolex, cut open all the joints, so on and so forth, some of the changes will not be visible via a "picture" of the insides.

 

[PaulyPanacea]

if i feel froggy to strip alll the tolex off my cabs, you guys will all have great pics!! I will try & post some sound clips of the 2 cabs with identical speakers/heads/guitars/mics etc. That would take some guess work out of it. Just gimme a lil time..kinda busy playing & such

H&H.i may have a day @ the end of Aug..so a road trip amy be a coming!!

 

[Hard&Heavy]

Sounds great Just give ma a shout when it gets closer, I will pm my # to you.

 

[fearhk213]

There have also been changes since that video segment was made. There once was German cabs and there was once American made cabs....this at one time was happening at the same time depending on location. We stopped making the cabinets in America, went to a brand new worldwide design and now ALL CABS ARE MADE IN GERMANY so now all markets have the same cab quality made in the same factory under the same specs, guidelines, etc. Where the issue lies with most american folks is that they compare comments made regarding old german cabs and translate that to the american market, the old american cabs THEN they try saying there is little to no difference between the old American made cabs and the new designed cabs made in Germany and THIS is completely untrue and thus my saying it is out of context and misconstrued. The difference between the old american cabs and the new designed cabs is more then the difference between the old german cabs and the new designed cabs. I hope this clarifies things.

I have to admit I was strongly considering a Diezel cab, but I had written it off because I had a problem with the discrepencies between the video with Peter S. and what was being said online with how different the new & old cabs are. However, that cleared lots of stuff up for me. The whole old German cab thing is kind of the missing link. I never knew there was an old German cabinet that was different from what was in the states and I did alot of research on the cabs. I imagine most of us in the states didn't know anything about the old German cabs either, which is why I think it got taken out of context; no one knew any better. So anyway, that's good to know

 

[crabby]

ok there is diezel usa.......drop the prices already!

 

[merlop]

ok there is diezel usa.......drop the prices already!

No Diezel is made in the USA... Prices are fair. Peter has to eat too ya know