Not digging the mesa cab with the new Herbert.....HELP....

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So here's the story, let me start out by saying there is absolutely no way I can possibly afford a Diezel cab right now, not even a used one, I'm completely strapped for money for at least the next few months, I have enough to pay bills and eat, but that's damn near it.... so please dont shove the Diezel cab down my throat...

That being said I'm doing my best to try and find a solution....I currently own an oversized slanted recto cab that is loaded with V30's... I went onto the Diezel website and saw that the new cabs (correct me if I'm wrong this is from Diezelusa.com) are loaded with G12K100's, now here's the main question, I actually have a buddy of mine who is willing to swap my V30's for his K100's would this make a difference? I understand part of the reason the Diezel cabs sound so great is because of the construction, I have no idea what front loaded or rear loaded or any of that means, so like I said instead of just saying "Just got a Diezel cab", realize this is about the only option I have, so I'm curious if loading my Mesa cab with K100's will help the situation, maybe not make it sound PERFECT, but at least better, as it stand right now it's a bit harsh and flubby with the V30's but the Herbert is the only head it has EVER sounded like that with.

I've been spending tons of time here since discovering this place, you guys are great, so any and all help is always greatly appreciated, let me know what you guys think, I'm doing the best I can with what I'm given, will the K100's help me out? I play heavy rock/alternative type of stuff, not death metal by any means but the gain knobs are definitely getting used on the Herbert :)

Thanks so much in advance guys,

Kit
 
I have had a few of the Mesa oversized cabs and have had the same issue you are describing with all of them. I now have a Bogner 4x12 cab with V30s and it sounds great with the Herbert (and pretty much everything else I have played through it). I am not sure but it may be the cabinet design and not the speakers.

If it is free for you to test it may be worth your time to swap the speakers and test.
 
If you are that strapped for cash, then run what'chya got.... I wouldn't even bother with the 100's from your buddy, mainly because you are going to kill the resale on the recto cab, if you plan to sell to help fund a Diezel cab in the future. Jump into your Mesa shoes for a second (you've had a bunch of marks/rectos IIRC) would you want to buy a recto cab that has 100's in it, when you know how sensitive Solo heads and Marks can be to cab/speaker setups?

Tonewise, I don't think 100's would do you much good in a big rear loaded cab like that. They will darken your tone and you will have way too much bass to deal with. As far as front loaded vs. rear loaded, I've heard the term "tight &bright" and "deep&dark." Front loaded cabs are very tight sounding on the low end and are very in your face sounding. They cut through very well with a focused sound. Rear loaded cabs generally can be slightly bassier and darker sounding, but the sound is supposed to fill the room at more angles and be less focused, from what I've been told and tried myself.

Anyway, if you can't afford to make a cab change, then looks like you'll be running what you have until you can make a change and again, I wouldn't bother with the 100's in a recto cab. :no:
 
RJF":1mhr9hsk said:
If you are that strapped for cash, then run what'chya got.... I wouldn't even bother with the 100's from your buddy, mainly because you are going to kill the resale on the recto cab, if you plan to sell to help fund a Diezel cab in the future. Jump into your Mesa shoes for a second (you've had a bunch of marks/rectos IIRC) would you want to buy a recto cab that has 100's in it, when you know how sensitive Solo heads and Marks can be to cab/speaker setups?

Tonewise, I don't think 100's would do you much good in a big rear loaded cab like that. They will darken your tone and you will have way too much bass to deal with. As far as front loaded vs. rear loaded, I've heard the term "tight &bright" and "deep&dark." Front loaded cabs are very tight sounding on the low end and are very in your face sounding. They cut through very well with a focused sound. Rear loaded cabs generally can be slightly bassier and darker sounding, but the sound is supposed to fill the room at more angles and be less focused, from what I've been told and tried myself.

Anyway, if you can't afford to make a cab change, then looks like you'll be running what you have until you can make a change and again, I wouldn't bother with the 100's in a recto cab. :no:
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Thanks for the reply man, isn't what I wanted to hear, but I always appreciate a sincere response...anyone else try doing something along these lines?
 
If you sell the oversize recto cab you should get enough $ to get you into something
 
Shipping cabs is so damn much I feel like I'll have trouble making enough scratch to get something I need, I'd even settle for a 2x12...do they make 2x12's Front Loaded?
 
steve_k":3fp14yu5 said:
Your solution is here....

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that's an interesting solution Steve. I have a Mills Afterburner, which is an OS dimension cab with K100 x V30, and it sounds great with the Herbert IMO. It doesn't fart at all, and doesn't get super harsh in the wrong frequencies. I assume most of it is due to the baffling design inside and the extra sealing/reinforcement, but I bet those upgrades on the Recto cab could help if it's farting and harsh. I have another all V30 loaded cab, and I prefer the X pattern of the K100 x V30 for the Herbert. I would like to try all K100 at some point too, but I'm quite happy with the results so far. The K100's have a pronounced low end thump, but it's tight and controlled, and a bit rolled off in the upper mid/highs compared to the V30 IMO.
 
Erock...that's exactly what I wanted to hear... so you dig the K100 V30 mix for the Herbert?
 
Mizati20":1yhwres4 said:
Erock...that's exactly what I wanted to hear... so you dig the K100 V30 mix for the Herbert?
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yeah man, I do. It seems to bring out some very pleasing frequencies with the right amps. They are close enough where EQ'ing them isn't a huge battle with eachother, and they have a similar speaker sensitivity so neither is gets buried. I won't go as far as to say the mix works with every amp, but I do like it with the Herbert. I think it depends what tones you are looking for also though, you don't really get a lot of speaker breakup with K100, lol. They also take a LONG time to break in I've found too. If you like the V30 sound though, and just want a bit more tightness and a little less of that mid/high spike that can get harsh, they can work quite well in the mix. I have an ENGL SE I also prefer through that combination though, it really works well for certain amps IMO.

Seems a lot of people don't share the same opinion about them though. I would hate for you to get them just from my opinion and not like them. Maybe keep the 2 V30 if you can, that way you can load them back in for resale if it turns out you still don't dig it?
 
Any of you guys don't like your standard recro cabs, send them over to me. I really dig them with Herbert.
 
The Mesa Traditional Cab is much better than the Oversized.
 
Personally if your current cab is in ace shape, I'd craigslist the puppy or sell it on the bay, shipping not included. Get the cash, and get either a high rated used Diezel or a better suited 4x12... But if you're not happy with it, you won't be happy with it. Someone out there may really want your cab, and hey, there ya have the loot to move forward. if you DON'T care about the cab you currently have in a resale market, I'd X pattern 2xV30's and 2xGT75's...that's what I would do. The G12K's are a bit too much for most cabinets and you'll end up putting a 457 into a Honda Civic and blowing everything to sh!t.

Peace Braddah - you'll get what ya need, maybe just not what ya want...

V.
 
FourT6and2":2vbsqncq said:
The Mesa Traditional Cab is much better than the Oversized.
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Just out of curiosity, does the Mesa 212 fart out at all or sound harsh with your VH4?
 
1. Steves solution is the easiest one..and will work for you. i have done this. it helps alot. and its pretty cheap too.
2. Dont load ur Mesa w 4 G12K100s..... it will sound like poop. Not that good in a RL cabinet.
3. If you still think the cab needs something else after the padding is added, Try an X Pattern in the Recto (if you can) . GT75s or even 2 G12K100s. I tried this also and it def was better for the Herbie IMO.
4. They do make FL 2X12. But i would try these few options out before that. The 4X12 is really the way to go. but for now i think the above will make you smile a bit more & give you plenty of time to hash out what you want & can afford. I know alot of guys like the Bogner & Mills stuff with the Herbie..just some other 4X12 options other than the Diezel. I prefer the Diezel 4X12s...but still believe the others sound damn good!
5. Keep the faith & enjoy the amp! Just take a little time & effort & try these things. you may be pleasantly suprised!!
 
I am most definitely going to pad the inside of my cab as suggested, although there isn't really any soft foam at the major construction retailers (lowes/home depot) the only foam is like styrofoam type stuff, or insulation that is full of fiberglass and I'm not too interested in getting covered in that shit, what about the egg carton stuff that you can put on top of mattresses? Would something like that suffice? Thanks so much for your help guys! I'll try this before I start swapping out speakers, I'd really prefer to keep the thing stock, as it's in pristine condition and would probably be able to get a fairly decent price for it... anybody wanna trade me a Diezel cab :lol: :LOL: :lol: :LOL:
 
I am always wondering when people say that the G12Ks have less top end. I think the opposit is true, they have an extended top and low end but less upper mids than the V30s and they aren't as saturated.

At least that's my impression in the new Diezel frontloaded 4x12.
 
MourningEngine":2u97ctgd said:
I am always wondering when people say that the G12Ks have less top end. I think the opposit is true, they have an extended top and low end but less upper mids than the V30s and they aren't as saturated.

At least that's my impression in the new Diezel frontloaded 4x12.
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I agree man, they have plenty of sizzle for my tastes, not really dark, just not that upper mid spike of the V30 that can get bright and harsh depending on the amp voicing. I don't really find them scooped either, more balanced IMO. :dunno:
 
I had an oversized 412 Reco cab too.
The G12K100 has much more bottom end than the V30 and this oversized cab adds even more bass. So I would definitly dont get 4 of them, but maybe you like the mixed version =)

Have sold my Recot cab and bought a 412 Diezel Frontloaded with exactly that combination. I love the character of the V30s, but the K100s are tighter and give it a nice chug. In my cab they are mounted left side and right side, so I have the possiblilty to use it as a 2x12 if I like. The G12K100 alone sound a little bit boring to my ears.

Sorry for my bad english, hope that helps a bit. If you have further questions, fell free to ask me =)
 
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