Not my first time around the block (Floyd Rose )

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Peavey stashed all this wood from long ago when they were remaking the HP2 (Wolfgang axe)
and send it to the Czech Republic to be build.
They now have a limited run of these with a NOS stamp on back of the headstock and a Certificate Letter.

The trem is a Peavey under floyd patent
Total junk. The threaded insert on the base plate was about to fall out.
Off goes the back plate to tighten it up...no biggy

This bitch WILL NOT stay in tune to save its ass.
Usually the G string but (full)dumping the bar cause it all to go to hell.

Not my first Rodeo with trems. Any ideas or just send the bitch packing.
I am NOT wasting my time using Nut Sauce or do a total re-string to see if I can spot a burr or some nonsence.
And NO, ITS NOT new strings need stretched.

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Something’s gotta be moving, for all to go out like that…
Maybe grab another set of nut screws/plates off a different guitar, tighten down and see if it makes a difference?
 
Yeah sure seems like something is moving. I've heard sometimes the nut just does not want to stay put even tho it's bolted on and has required glue in addition to the screws.

But try to find out which end is the problem. I don't know if a capo can help with that or what.
 
I’ve had two peavey era Wolfgang’s and they both were rock solid with the original trems.

This might not be your first time with a floyd but there’s been solid recommendations made above. Something is moving - this is a setup issue. They will not come player ready right out of the box. It’s a Wolfgang - you’re going to have to check it over.
 
Could be that one single string is bad. It happens every once in a while. In fact, just the other day I had the same issue. I put brand new strings on a Floyd super strat and the G kept going out of tune on dive bombs. Changed out that one string with another new one and it's fine now.

I re-read your post and it looks like possibly all strings are going out. In that case my suggestion wouldn't solve the problem.
 
glpg80 said:
I’ve had two peavey era Wolfgang’s and they both were rock solid with the original trems.

This might not be your first time with a floyd but there’s been solid recommendations made above. Something is moving - this is a setup issue. They will not come player ready right out of the box. It’s a Wolfgang - you’re going to have to check it over.
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Yep. That said if worse comes to worse just replace the Trem because that's a damn fine looking guitar. That said weren't those trems made by Gotoh, I could be wrong but if so those are good Trems.
 
Yep look for an OFR or if they are too spendy, find a 1000 series someone pulled off a Charvel. Those are solid Floyd’s imo.
 
I am in process or doing a return. And swap for another one just as nice (cross fingers for me )
There is a ding mark on the body under the G string saddle mounting screw so my guess
it took a hard hit somewhere in shipping.
 
The springs migh
Devin said:
Make sure the screws that bond the locking nut to the neck are tight
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^^^^^^
Dive the trem before checking so that you know it’s the screws holding it in place and not the strings
 
Yeah, Floyds can be finicky. Another thing to mention is the grip of the intonation screws, if one or more saddles can move around a bit you´re in for tuning issues. All those licensed Schallers you saw as OEM units on Jackson, Hamer, ESP and tons of others back in the 90s have this as a chronic issue today, and the same thing is a potential issue for anything that isn´t solid steel like the OFR or has hardened inserts. Might just need some tightening here, though, I doubt it´s been stripped already.


That´s not a Gotoh, by the way, my guess it that it probably is a Floyd Rose 1000. It has the Peavey logo and the Floyd name on it, and the only unit Floyd does the branding/OEM thing with is the 1000. The thing is, there are no licensed versions anymore - the Floyd patent is long gone as far as I know and anything with the Floyd name on it is sold by Floyd Rose (and manufactured by someone else, just like always). That´s why Floyd expanded into the 1000 and Special models to begin with, to keep the competitors at bay and offer the best budget alternative himself when he doesn´t get paid from the licensing anymore. In Europe Schaller sells the OFR as the Lockmeister without any mention of Floyd Rose, and a Gotoh these days doesn´t have any references to Floyd or the patents either.

As for wood screw posts, until the early 90s wood screws were still common across all price ranges. Those beautiful Kramer Stagemasters made by ESP, for example; OFRs and wood screws. Just like inserts it works fine most of the time, but can work up a jiggle over time.
 
napalmdeath said:
This.
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Yes this. Easy to find out by watching the locking nut and doing a dive bomb. You should easily be able to see if the locking nut moves slightly when you press down the tremolo. Simple fix if this is the issue. Also move positions of the locking nut hold downs. Move the lowest one to the middle position. You also may have a set of bad springs. One could be more stretched out than the other causing an imbalance in the Floyd itself which intern can cause the G string to go out. Every guitar I own, most of which I built myself all have Floyds on them and some set up and stay in tune flawlessly and others is a huge rabbits hole with getting just right.
 
rm5153 said:
Yes this. Easy to find out by watching the locking nut and doing a dive bomb. You should easily be able to see if the locking nut moves slightly when you press down the tremolo. Simple fix if this is the issue. Also move positions of the locking nut hold downs. Move the lowest one to the middle position. You also may have a set of bad springs. One could be more stretched out than the other causing an imbalance in the Floyd itself which intern can cause the G string to go out. Every guitar I own, most of which I built myself all have Floyds on them and some set up and stay in tune flawlessly and others is a huge rabbits hole with getting just right.
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Yeah, sometimes the screws are loose, then the nut shifts. Hella tuning problems!
 
My buddy bought a Bernie Rico Jekyll brand new years ago and right out the box he was having tuning issues with the floyd; it would also make a slight creaking noise when using the bar. He brought it to me and I checked it out and sure enough one of the screws that mounts the locking nut was loose. Tightened that up and then the guitar was perfect
 
Wow, I'm surprised with so many posts about having loose screws for the locking nut attaching to the neck. I can honestly say I've never had that issue making any of my Floyds not work. Lucky I guess, but that's a SIMPLE fix. . Wish it was always that simple.. . My Floyd problems have been due to mostly 1) The FLoyd is NOT positioned properly parallel to the body, so the knife edges aren't working correctly. Need to reposition it correctly and that'll help a lot 2) The knife edges being worn so it never comes back in the exact same place. Either need to grind/file the cheap metal to get them sharp again, or replace with a better Floyd. I've had to replace and that fixed all with that issue. . . (Unfortunately that's way more expensive than screwing in a locking nut.lol) 3rd problem) Bad string, or bad sitting of that string in the locking saddle. . Replace string, or lock it in better 4th) Bad spring, or lower grade springs, or whatever. . 5th Bad locking nut saddles 6th) Locking nut not tight on neck.

Good luck!
Eric
 
I have the same experience as John4021, same Czech series, finish, and floyd issue. I bought it used and it wasn't set up well - had to shim the nut, put some relief in the neck - but the thing just won't stay in tune. I have two other gotoh floyd roses and can say the machining on this peavey branded floyd is horrible. Tuning the fine tuning machines is - not fine, the threads are loose and not smooth. I'm planning on just swapping in a gotoh with a FU block and having a much better guitar. The finish, neck and pickups are great - heavy as a mother though. Haven't weighed it, but nearly as heavy as my 73 les paul...
Going to check the nut tightening though, thanks for the tips on that.
 
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