od 100se+ or bogner 101b??

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I am into the hi gain 80's marshall tone, tried all the latest marshall offerings but wasen't that impressed. Between the od 100se+ and the bogner xtc 101b which one can get closer to the marshall tone. I had a diezel einstein whick was a killer amp with tons of gain but I am looking for more of a marshall midrange but with the thunder of the boutique amps. all opinions welcome. Btw the bogner seems as dark as the diezel to me as heard from some you tube clips. Thanks
 
The bogner can get bright if you turn up the presence and does a fairly convincing marshall on the right settings, it is definitely more marshall than the od100. You might also want to check out an SLO for what you're doing. I am not a fan of the caa amps I have played so ill just keep that to myself haha.
 
Very different amps mang.

Personally, I prefer the 101B but if hot-rodded Marshall is what you're after, the OD100SE is the way to go
 
OD100SE+ this is what you want for that hot rodded Marshall tone. I have had mine for 2 years and I have yet to hear better. This amp has to be paired up with the right cabinet.
So if you try one out. See if there is a CAA 2x12 with goveners.
 
Gotta go with the Bogner. I have heard some of the Suhr amps over at SteveVHT's place and i never liked any of them. Great cleans but the gain channels sound nasty to me, nasty in a bad way.
 
Do yourself a favor a get a Cameron modded Marshall for the best hot rod Marshall sound around. Bogner is much darker and smoother than the Marshall tone. Soldano SLO will get you there as well.

Brad
 
danyeo":1d7xe6ze said:
Gotta go with the Bogner. I have heard some of the Suhr amps over at SteveVHT's place and i never liked any of them. Great cleans but the gain channels sound nasty to me, nasty in a bad way.

I fully concur!! Od100 clean is fantastic, the gain channels I never liked, to raspy sounding. I haven't tried the OD100 Classic though, that could be the one I like.

Out of those 2, I'd say the Bogner but there must be a shitload of other high end amps that can get you those tones.
 
danyeo":4oavuv1h said:
Gotta go with the Bogner. I have heard some of the Suhr amps over at SteveVHT's place and i never liked any of them. Great cleans but the gain channels sound nasty to me, nasty in a bad way.
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You should definitely try one before you buy. I had one for a couple of days. The first thing I noticed was how killer the cleans were. the next thing I noticed was how grainy, compressed the high gain was. :(
It sounded better at low 'crunch' gain but once I turned it up to 7 on the dial, which is where the high gain kicks in, it sounded terrible, IMO. It definitely sounded better at stage volumes but still.....it was a big disappointment for me.
 
danyeo":2dcyim20 said:
Gotta go with the Bogner. I have heard some of the Suhr amps over at SteveVHT's place and i never liked any of them. Great cleans but the gain channels sound nasty to me, nasty in a bad way.

Exactly my experience. Gain was ratty and nasty. Very very bad. :thumbsdown: All in IMHO of course.
 
The OD100SE+ is a monster of an amp, but as you can tell it's a love or hate kind of thing with it :lol: :LOL: . They're very different amps and take some time to dial in, but once you do, LOOK OUT! It is the biggest, puchiest amp I've played to date, moreso than the Diezels I've had and my Cameron Uber. I'm not saying it's better than the other two, but it's definately got them in those two categories.

The trick is staying with the "+" versions. I honestly think most people who bag on the OD100's haven't heard the "+" versions. Sure they still won't be for everyone, but the "+'s" really are that different.

All that being said, if you're looking for the more marshally of the OD100 series I'd check out the Standard+ or the Classic+. The SE+ is more scooped in the mids than your traditional marshall flavor.

Edit: The Standard+ and Classic+ isn't as compressed as the SE+ either; much more open.
 
....how about a JCM800 for marshall tone? for extra gain put a boost in the front
 
This how I voted,
My new Acquisition. :thumbsup:
CAA OD-100SE+
CAAOD100SE.jpg
 
Inca looks nice but whats your opinion on it, are you thru the honeymoon stage with it? Since I believe the se+ version is noticeably different that the regular version is it any closer to a marshall midrange. I loved my einstein, if the od 100 has a little more upper mids it think it will be for me.
 
232cap":h72pacqa said:
Inca looks nice but whats your opinion on it, are you thru the honeymoon stage with it? Since I believe the se+ version is noticeably different that the regular version is it any closer to a marshall midrange. I loved my einstein, if the od 100 has a little more upper mids it think it will be for me.
I have had my SE+ for 2 years and I still love it. Yes, it can get that Marshall midrange. This amp does not have alot of bells and whistle, but what it does have is very active controls in attaining different tones.
 
232cap":2aji31rf said:
Inca looks nice but whats your opinion on it, are you thru the honeymoon stage with it? Since I believe the se+ version is noticeably different that the regular version is it any closer to a marshall midrange. I loved my einstein, if the od 100 has a little more upper mids it think it will be for me.

I never played the OD-100 so I can't compare, but I can compare it to my past amps.
Diezel Herbert, VH4
Bogner Uberschall
It does a better Marshall Midrange than any of those.
The SE+ has a Whomp switch on the back, down is by passed, middle
is added Low End for low Volume playing and up is More Low End.
Reminds me of the Depth Mod for the Soldano, but different.
Sick Marshall Bite on Steroids, I will be running this amp in
stereo with my Elmwood Modena M90.
I took this directly from the Suhr Amps website, maybe it will clarify
a few things for ya.

OD100 SE

The OD-100 SE+ is for the high-gain freak who can never get enough gain. Based on the ultra high-gain CH3 of the renowned 3+SE rack preamp, the SE voicing and character is engaged in the boosted mode of Channel 2 of the OD-100SE. What you get is an intense yet clear distortion that is both hyper aggressive and creamy at the same time. Once again, what you put into it is what you get out of it. From 80's metal to mega shred to progressive fusion to modern alternative rock/metal, the SE covers a lot of sonic territories that require mondo amounts of gain that is still defined and musical. Artists using the OD-100 SE+ range from Reb Beach of Whitesnake to shred monster Rob Marcello to fusion master Jose De Castro to modern alternative rock band Element Eighty. What sets the OD-100 SE+ apart from the competition is the amazing string-to-string clarity even with the gain cranked all the way up. You can strum a chord and you'll be able to hear each string and each note when other amps with this much gain will only produce unintelligible mush.

Channel 1 of the OD-100 SE+ is identical to that of the Standard+, so you also get a beautiful vintage clean sound to go with the mega high-gain sound of the SE+'s CH2 boosted mode. The new improved unboosted mode of the SE+'s Channel 2 is crunch heaven with plenty of gain to spare. This unboosted mode is also ideal for use with overdrive and distortion pedals for different types of crunch and high-gain sounds that are different from the intense boosted mode of the SE+. The SE+, besides the stock Feedback (essentially a speaker dampening control) and a new circuit called the Whomp. It's a 3-way toggle on the back panel that gives you two degrees of low-midrange punch. The lowest position is bypass. The middle position gives you a moderate boost of the low-mid frequencies – providing additional punch and a huge soundscape at moderate to high volume levels. The upper position adds even more low-end and is only recommended for low-volume playing situations when you want a huge sound but can't turn up the amp too loud.
 
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I am into the hi gain 80's marshall tone, tried all the latest marshall offerings but wasen't that impressed. Between the od 100se+ and the bogner xtc 101b which one can get closer to the marshall tone. I had a diezel einstein whick was a killer amp with tons of gain but I am looking for more of a marshall midrange but with the thunder of the boutique amps. all opinions welcome. Btw the bogner seems as dark as the diezel to me as heard from some you tube clips. Thanks

I had 'em both at the same time, but have since gotten rid of the OD100 SE+ for a Soldano SLO.

You want more Marshall type flavor out of those two amps, the OD100 SE+ would be the choice...heck the "+" mod as described by Suhr himself includes a Marshall type transformer and is similar (or so he said) to mods he's done in the past to Marshalls for Van Halen and others.

However, as much as I wanted to, I never got along with the OD100 SE+ so it got moved...I am much happier with my SLO for crunchy, bright, punchy tones. The Bogner is really not about that, so while its an awesome amp (I LOVE mine) maybe it doesn't sound what you're looking for.

Like I said, I dig the SLO for that, if you're willing to deal with its relative simplisitc options as compared to the CAA and Bogner.
 
I can't compare the od 100se+ b/c I haven't played one. But fwiw, I think the XTC Classic is more "marshally" than the 101b, IMO and I've owned both. YMMV.
 
Great reviews keep'um comming. Here is another opinonated question how well does the od 100se+ cover 80' tunes? lynch, dokken, demartini, whitesnake etc. I also had a ton of interest in cameron modded marshall's but it is getting hard to find a nice one. Whatever I get should hold me over until the cameron ccv are available, hopefully. How about the modena m90? Thanks
 
232cap":3q04vqpy said:
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I am into the hi gain 80's marshall tone, tried all the latest marshall offerings but wasen't that impressed. Between the od 100se+ and the bogner xtc 101b which one can get closer to the marshall tone. I had a diezel einstein whick was a killer amp with tons of gain but I am looking for more of a marshall midrange but with the thunder of the boutique amps. all opinions welcome. Btw the bogner seems as dark as the diezel to me as heard from some you tube clips. Thanks
Do you need a channel switcher?
 
prefer a channel switcher unless a hg jose cameron comes my way.
 
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